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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: James Barrett
Date: Jan 17, 2008 13:08

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing at
>Heathrow yesterday.

"emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>
>The aircraft appears quite badly damaged.
>
>Crew and PAX OK - apart from a few minor injuries.

Thank God, amongst other factors, for the skill of the pilots and the
strength of the B777.

"Aviation expert Kieran Daly, from Flight International magazine, said
not a single Boeing 777 had been lost in a crash since the aircraft
was launched in 1995."

"London Heathrow shut" No it wasn't

"The runway was initially closed, but reopened later to take-offs
only. The north runway remained open throughout the incident."

A bit sloppy on the "reporting" hey Ned.
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Pits
Date: Jan 17, 2008 13:26

On Jan 18, 6:08 am, James Barrett hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing at
>>Heathrow yesterday.
>
> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>
>
>
>>The aircraft appears quite badly damaged.
>
>>Crew and PAX OK - apart from a few minor injuries.
>
> Thank God, amongst other factors, for the skill of the pilots and the
> strength of the B777.
>
> "Aviation expert Kieran Daly, from Flight International magazine, said
> not a single Boeing 777 had been lost in a crash since the aircraft
> was launched in 1995."
> ...
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Ned
Date: Jan 18, 2008 06:31

James Barrett wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>
>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing at
>> Heathrow yesterday.
>
> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.

No James, most are not at all.

Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more flights
declare emergencies but don't crash.

Some, such as this one did both. Called in a MAYDAY (or so I've read) then crashed.

I'm sceptical of your claim that the majority of aircraft crashes have declared
a prior emergency - unless of course you can provide a reputable cite.
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Author: SR20GOER
Date: Jan 18, 2008 12:09

"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
> James Barrett wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>
>>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing
>>> at Heathrow yesterday.
>>
>> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>
> No James, most are not at all.
>
> Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more
> flights
> declare emergencies but don't crash.
>
> Some, such as this one did both. Called in a MAYDAY (or so I've read) then
> crashed.
>
> I'm sceptical of your claim that the majority of aircraft crashes have
> declared ...
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Kwyjibo
Date: Jan 18, 2008 15:48

"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
> James Barrett wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>
>>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing
>>> at Heathrow yesterday.
>>
>> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>
> No James, most are not at all.
>
> Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more
> flights
> declare emergencies but don't crash.

It doesn't have to be 'declared' to be an emergency. I doubt that there are
many crash landings that are not the result of some sort of emergency.

--
Kwyj.
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Ned
Date: Jan 19, 2008 07:47

Kwyjibo wrote:
> "Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
>> James Barrett wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash landing
>>>> at Heathrow yesterday.
>>> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>> No James, most are not at all.
>>
>> Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more
>> flights
>> declare emergencies but don't crash.
>
> It doesn't have to be 'declared' to be an emergency. I doubt that there are
> many crash landings that are not the result of some sort of emergency.
>
Absolutely not true.

Ever heard of CFIT? Controlled flight into terrain?
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Kwyjibo
Date: Jan 19, 2008 08:01

"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmt62l$34o$2@aioe.org...
> Kwyjibo wrote:
>> "Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
>>> James Barrett wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash
>>>>> landing at Heathrow yesterday.
>>>> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>>> No James, most are not at all.
>>>
>>> Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more
>>> flights
>>> declare emergencies but don't crash.
>>
>> It doesn't have to be 'declared' to be an emergency. I doubt that there
>> are many crash landings that are not the result of some sort of
>> emergency.
>>
> Absolutely not true. ...
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: matt weber
Date: Jan 19, 2008 12:21

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:01:10 +1100, "Kwyjibo"
ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
>
>"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmt62l$34o$2@aioe.org...
>> Kwyjibo wrote:
>>> "Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
>>>> James Barrett wrote:
>>>>> On...
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: Stephen James
Date: Jan 19, 2008 12:33

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:21:15 GMT, matt weber verizon.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:01:10 +1100, "Kwyjibo"
>ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmt62l$34o$2@aioe.org...
>>> Kwyjibo wrote:
>>>> "Ned"
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Re: London Heathrow shut - BA B-777 on the grass         


Author: SR20GOER
Date: Jan 19, 2008 13:08

"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmt62l$34o$2@aioe.org...
> Kwyjibo wrote:
>> "Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fmqd8a$5um$1@aioe.org...
>>> James Barrett wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:39 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing made an emergency crash
>>>>> landing at Heathrow yesterday.
>>>> "emergency crash landing".......Most are.
>>> No James, most are not at all.
>>>
>>> Plenty of flights crash without declaring an emergency. Many, many more
>>> flights
>>> declare emergencies but don't crash.
>>
>> It doesn't have to be 'declared' to be an emergency. I doubt that there
>> are many crash landings that are not the result of some sort of
>> emergency.
>>
> Absolutely not true. ...
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