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Author: Spartan613Spartan613 Date: Sep 16, 2008 15:21
And thusly, another clueless air-head enters.
Tell, me, do you think we should be buying from the Russians, instead?
--
"Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plough for those who
didn't".
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Author: true.blue.blueytrue.blue.bluey Date: Sep 17, 2008 07:01
Spartan613 wrote:
> And thusly, another clueless air-head enters.
>
> Tell, me, do you think we should be buying from the Russians, instead?
Do you mean, "should we we buying planes which are far more effective
at a fraction of the cost"?
Is that a serious question?
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Author: AiryxAiryx Date: Sep 17, 2008 07:27
On Sep 17, 9:01Â am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote:
> Is that a serious question?
Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
Russian counterparts.
Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
From what I've seen so far, the F-22 and F-35 will carry on the same
tradition.
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Author: David E. PowellDavid E. Powell Date: Sep 17, 2008 15:03
On Sep 17, 10:27Â am, Airyx attbi.com> wrote:> On Sep 17, 9:01Â am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote:
> >> Is that a serious question?
>
> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
> Russian counterparts.
>
> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
>
> From what I've seen so far, the F-22 and F-35 will carry on the same
> tradition.
If they need Fighters, why not buy used Tornado ADVs?
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Author: true.blue.blueytrue.blue.bluey Date: Sep 17, 2008 16:25
Airyx wrote:
> On Sep 17, 9:01�am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote:
> >> Is that a serious question?
>
> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
> Russian counterparts.
>
> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
You have two choices:
- assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost:
the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3
Su35s for the price of 1 F35.
OR
- assess the aircraft based on some anecdotes about the uses that
F14s, F15ss, F16s, and F18s were put to and the substandard airforces
they came up against.
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Author: Dean A. MarkleyDean A. Markley Date: Sep 17, 2008 16:53
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> Airyx wrote:
>
>> On Sep 17, 9:01�am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> Is that a serious question?
>> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
>> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
>> Russian counterparts.
>>
>> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
>
> You have two choices:
>
> - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost:
> the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3
> Su35s for the price of 1 F35.
> OR
> - assess the aircraft based on some anecdotes about the uses that ...
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Author: true.blue.blueytrue.blue.bluey Date: Sep 17, 2008 16:59
Dean A. Markley wrote:
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>> Airyx wrote:
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>>> On Sep 17, 9:01�am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>>> Is that a serious question?
>>> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s...
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Author: David E. PowellDavid E. Powell Date: Sep 17, 2008 19:48
On Sep 17, 7:25Â pm, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote: > Airyx wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 9:01 am, true.blue.bl...@ gmail.com wrote: >
>>> Is that a serious question?
>
>> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
>> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
>> Russian counterparts.
>
>> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
>
> You have two choices:
>
> Â - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost:
> the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3
> Su35s for the price of 1 F35.
> OR
> Â - assess the aircraft based on some anecdotes about the uses that
> F14s, F15ss, F16s, and F18s were put to and the substandard airforces ...
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Author: Keith WillshawKeith Willshaw Date: Sep 18, 2008 00:34
>> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
>> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
>> Russian counterparts.
>>
>> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
>You have two choices:
> - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost:
> the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3
> Su35s for the price of 1 F35.
Lots of luck trying a STOVL landing on a baby flattop with an Su-35
Keith
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Author: LIBERATORLIBERATOR Date: Sep 18, 2008 03:07
On Sep 18, 1:34Â am, "Keith Willshaw" demon.co.uk> wrote:>>> Well, over the years, F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, and F-18's have all been
>>> criticized for being over-priced and under effective relative to their
>>> Russian counterparts.
>
>>> Yet, they've racked up a A-A kill ratio of something like 150-1.
>>You have two choices:
>> - assess the aircraft based on its inherent capabilities and cost:
>> the F35 is a dog, and the Su35 eats it for breakfast. We could buy 3
>> Su35s for the price of 1 F35.
>
> Lots of luck trying a STOVL landing on a baby flattop with an Su-35
>
> Keith
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