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F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Praetorian
Date: Feb 28, 2008 15:24

"Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
You blokes are starting to confuse me.

You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
cooler... the F22)?

The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22, on
the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground". As I
understand it, the USAF has broadened their views on this and are adding
some (limited.... and stand-off) strike capacity. (Notice the word "strike"
not "attack" as in the "A for attack" part of F/A18F).
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Peter Webb
Date: Feb 28, 2008 16:55

"Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
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> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>
> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
> they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
> cooler... the F22)?
>
> The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22, on
> the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground". As I
> understand it, the USAF has broadened their views on this and are adding
> some (limited.... and stand-off) strike capacity. (Notice the word
> "strike"
> not "attack" as in the "A for attack" part of F/A18F).
>
> But here's a scenario and a question for the F22 fans (don't get me wrong,
> I
> think they're an awesome aircraft), but, ........ Future battle
> somewhere... ...
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Praetorian
Date: Feb 29, 2008 13:28

"Peter Webb" DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
> news:ToHxj.20489$421.3267@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
>> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>>
>> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
>> they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
>> cooler... the F22)?
>>
>> The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22,
>> on
>> the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground". As I
>> understand it, the USAF has broadened their views on this and are adding
>> some (limited.... and stand-off) strike capacity. (Notice the word
>> "strike"
>> not "attack" as in the "A for attack" part of F/A18F).
>> ...
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Jensen
Date: Mar 25, 2008 07:25

"Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
news:ToHxj.20489$421.3267@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>
> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
> they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
> cooler... the F22)?
>
> The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22, on
> the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground".

Umm, that is the F-15 you are thinking of, and have a look at the F-15E
today. As for the F-22, suggest you see what Defense Secretary Cohen (in the
Clinton Administration) had to say back in 1999. He was talking about the
F-22 having been slated to replace the F-117 at outset, and no one would
suggest that the F-117 was an air superiority asset. There have been
replacements of F-15E and F-117, in addition to replacement of F-15C. So
much for not a pund for air to ground.
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd         


Author: Praetorian
Date: Mar 25, 2008 22:41

"Jensen" bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
> news:ToHxj.20489$421.3267@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
>> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>>
>> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
>> they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
>> cooler... the F22)?
>>
>> The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22,
>> on
>> the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground".
>
> Umm, that is the F-15 you are thinking of, and have a look at the F-15E
> today. As for the F-22, suggest you see what Defense Secretary Cohen (in
> the Clinton Administration) had to say back in 1999. He was talking about
> the F-22 having been slated to replace the F-117 at outset, and no one ...
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd         


Author: Addinall
Date: Mar 26, 2008 01:28

On Mar 26, 3:41 pm, "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote:
> "Jensen" bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> news:9X7Gj.2647$n8.471@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
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>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
>>news:ToHxj.20489$421.3267@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
>>> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>
>>> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and that
>>> they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a tad
>>> cooler... the F22)?
> ...
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Bob Hawke
Date: Mar 26, 2008 03:34

"The decision should be made on statistics, how many Muzzies can you
liquidate with a F22 compared to a F35,
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Atheist Chaplain
Date: Mar 27, 2008 00:46

"Bob Hawke" bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> "The decision should be made on statistics, how many Muzzies can you
> liquidate with a F22 compared to a F35,
>
>
>

if that's your criteria we should be getting B 52's
I suggest you become FAC, about 200 meters from your target should ensure
you get a good accurate hit :-)
--
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd: the incompetent and the hypocritical         


Author: Sir John Howard
Date: Mar 27, 2008 00:49

Bob Hawke wrote:
> "The decision should be made on statistics, how many Muzzies can you
> liquidate with a F22 compared to a F35,

If we're going after arselifers, we should be using ICBMs.
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Re: F22 Vs F35 in the CAIRs role Re: Stephen Smith and Rudd         


Author: Jensen
Date: Mar 27, 2008 03:05

"Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
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> "Jensen" bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:9X7Gj.2647$n8.471@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message
>> news:ToHxj.20489$421.3267@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> "Praetorian" dontwantany.com> wrote in message news:...
>>> You blokes are starting to confuse me.
>>>
>>> You do all realise that the Super Hornets are not the end-state, and
>>> that they're an interim between the F111 and the F35 (or if Hell gets a
>>> tad
>>> cooler... the F22)?
>>>
>>> The F35 was designed from the very outset as a strike-fighter. The F22,
>>> on
>>> the other hand, was conceived with "not one pound for ground".
>>
>> Umm, that is the F-15 you are thinking of, and have a look at the F-15E ...
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