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Author: KwyjiboKwyjibo Date: Dec 31, 2007 18:19
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22992771-662,00.html
AIRCRAFT carrying hundreds of people are flying over populated areas across
the country without supervision as air traffic controllers struggle to keep
up with the workload in the skies.
And the controllers say Australia's proud record of airline safety is in
jeopardy because the body overseeing the nation's airways is not training
enough controllers.
The Herald Sun has seen a scathing letter from the national union of air
traffic controllers to Airservices Australia complaining of a "critical
threat" to continued flight safety.
Airservices Australia is a government-owned corporation that employs 90 per
cent of Australia's air traffic controllers.
Civil Air Australia president Michael Haines told Airservices Australia that
airspace is being left uncontrolled "on an almost daily basis due to the
lack of adequate staffing".
"At the same time, I fear that Airservices is concealing from regulatory and
safety organisations the fact that airspace is closing due to low staff
levels," Mr Haines wrote.
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Author: SR20GOERSR20GOER Date: Dec 31, 2007 20:44
"Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...
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> A pilot claimed that services normally provided by Melbourne tower were
> unavailable because of staff shortages on at least one occasion last
> month.
Melbourne inormation Oscar just went on:
ATIS ATIS YMML O 010423
RWY: 16
+ OPR INFO: EXPECT DELAYS ON GROUND AND CLEARANCE DELIVERY.
FREQUENCIES OPERATING ON RETRANSMIT DUE STAFF
SHORTAGE.
etc (second time I have heard similar in a week) Delays on the ground -
airline $ and pax missed appointments or link transport etc.
> CAA said the boom in air travel was putting extra strain on an air control
> system already at breaking point. >
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Author: Mil80CMil80C Date: Jan 1, 2008 03:09
"Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...SNIP (emotional journo bullshit)
>
What a load of crap, and yet another example of journo mumbo-jumbo fed to
the masses who do not have the knowledge to pick the bullshit from fact.
Mackay Tower regularly closes IAW ERSA.
Townsville Tower and Approach is operated by RAAF (and regularly closes IAW
ERSA)
Gold Coast (Coolangatta) closes IAW a routine NOTAM IAW ERSA, it has to do
with not wasting dollars on services to one aircraft at a time.
Apart from Alice Springs there is no controlled airspace in Central
Australia, it's all Class G.
Ditto Western NSW
SNIP (more journo-crap) But then you probably knew these things, yet you
chose to paste this NG with regurgutated rubbish instaead of giving us YOUR
take on the issue, smacks of cowardice.
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Author: KwyjiboKwyjibo Date: Jan 1, 2008 04:04
>
> "Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
> news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...> SNIP (emotional journo bullshit)
>>
> What a load of crap, and yet another example of journo mumbo-jumbo fed to
> the masses who do not have the knowledge to pick the bullshit from fact.
>
> Mackay Tower regularly closes IAW ERSA.
> Townsville Tower and Approach is operated by RAAF (and regularly closes
> IAW ERSA)
> Gold Coast (Coolangatta) closes IAW a routine NOTAM IAW ERSA, it has to do
> with not wasting dollars on services to one aircraft at a time.
> Apart from Alice Springs there is no controlled airspace in Central
> Australia, it's all Class G.
> Ditto Western NSW ...
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Author: MartyMarty Date: Jan 1, 2008 07:12
Kwyjibo wrote:
> Funny how the guys actually doing the job disagree with you. I think I'll
> take their word over your ill-informed opinion.
If I recall correctly, Mil80C *does* work in ATC. He's probably one of the
few here who has any authority on the matter.
Kwyjibo wrote:
> Here's my take on it, f*ckwit. I was under the impression that this was an
> *aviation* related newsgroup. If you don't want to read it, how about you
> f*ck off somewhere else.
>
> Take your meds. I hope you OD on them you useless c*nt.
Wow... just wow. Is it just me, or is the collective personality of
aus.aviation taking a turn for the worst?
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Author: PitsPits Date: Jan 2, 2008 01:21
On Jan 1, 9:04 pm, "Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:> "Mil80C" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:477a1f8c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
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>
>>> "Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
>>news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...>
>> SNIP (emotional journo bullshit)
>
>> What a load of crap, and yet another example of journo mumbo-jumbo fed to
>> the masses who do not have the knowledge to pick the bullshit from fact.
>
>> Mackay Tower regularly closes IAW ERSA.
>> Townsville Tower and Approach is operated by RAAF (and regularly closes ...
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Author: PitsPits Date: Jan 2, 2008 01:28
On Jan 2, 9:27 am, "SR20GOER" aopa.com.au> wrote:>> "Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
>>news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...>
>> SNIP (emotional journo bullshit)
>
>> What a load of crap, and yet another example of journo mumbo-jumbo fed to
>> the masses who do not have the knowledge to pick the bullshit from fact.
>
> Deano
> Compliments of the season.
>
> Your comment about the media spin is true but I think their sensational
> slant should not be allowed to detract from the fact that I do see signs of
> tight staffing in ASA ATC; cannot speak for your side of ATC as I don't have ...
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Author: KwyjiboKwyjibo Date: Jan 2, 2008 02:06
> But by the accepted behaviour and past tone of this group - IMO your
> post was most inappropriate.
But calling someone a coward for making an on-topic post is completely okay
in your book. Does te phrase 'double standard' mean anything to you?
--
Kwyj.
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Author: Mil80CMil80C Date: Jan 2, 2008 03:12
> On Jan 2, 9:27 am, "SR20GOER" aopa.com.au> wrote:>> "Mil80C" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> news:477a1f8c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>>> "Kwyjibo" ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
>>>news:13nj8pr7iu09o6a@corp.supernews.com...>>
>>> SNIP (emotional journo bullshit)
>>
>>> What a load of crap, and yet another example of journo mumbo-jumbo fed
>>> to
>>> the masses who do not have the knowledge to pick the bullshit from
>>> fact.
>>
>> Deano
>> Compliments of the season. ...
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