On Aug 18, 9:53 pm, Coop
chariotnose.netwheel.au> wrote:> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:36:18 -0700 (PDT), Pits
gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>On Aug 13, 6:06 pm, Coop
chariotnose.netwheel.au> wrote:>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:48:35 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>> Such matters may not be discovered in an accident investigation, but
>>> would be known to himself and others involved if that's what happened.
>
>>Coop , did you read the full accident report in the link I provided .
>
>>No sim training verification for either Cpatain or FO in some
>>procedures (like the config and situation het got himself into )
>
>>Miles out he even said (before he burst into song) something is not
>>right and more
>>Compelling reading
>
> Pits, have read it in full now, and I think one of the most disturbing
> findings is this one:
>
>
> A Training-Line Operation's Analysis (T-LOA) project, designed by
> Massey University
> School of Aviation, was conducted in 2001.
> The findings taken from the observations of 323 flights involving
> Boeing 737 and Airbus A330, and 30 instructional observations,
> included:
> o Situational awareness and decision making were weak
> o Very steep cockpit gradient
> o Crew coordination was poor
> o Captains very often ignoring First Officer input.
>
>
> 323 flights is a pretty fair sample. The findings would not generate
> confidence in this airline.
> Also of note is the frequency with which this particular captain had
> been involved in high-speed approaches before- noted on some training
> and check evaluations. I wonder how much effort goes into training
> responsiveness to co-pilot input? Not enough, by all acounts,
> especially given the "high gradient" they are trying to overcome.
>
> And here is the nub of the issue, with respect to the rescue effort,
> in my opinion:
>
>
> There was no appropriate rescue coordination at the crash site, due to
> the AEP not being followed and too many unqualified people giving
> instructions.
>
>
> Now I understand why our EFS and CFS people don those high-viz vests
> with "Incident Controller" (etc.) emblazoned in big letters- to ensure
> that they are accorded the authority they have been trained to
> exercise.
>
> These significant issues all relate to culture. I think Stealth was
> right....
>
> Coop
It truly is a scary read. Glad you twigged to the culture of the
airline (any airline) being important . Managers let this bloke fall
through the cracks .
Lessons here for us all regardless of our jobs or vocation.
Train hard do it easy is not a bad outlook I reckon what ever we are
involved in ( except washing up and ironing ) :(
Coop a real danger next month on some airlines is the Month of
Ramadan . Due to fasting requirments especially those that may be a
tad hypo Glycemic
I never travel on certain airlines at that time or through certain
airports . have seen one poor bugger feint and fall off an air bridge
and go splat on the deck just as a MH777 was approaching the gate .
Not having a shot at those who fast but I add it to my risk factor
survival instinct . Also buggers up beer O'clock :)
