On May 13, 7:23 pm, Ali
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>>>"Ali"
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>>news:hvfj249kvr52t088b95hn77r1inn10tepa@4ax.com...>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:39:56 -0400, "^@%%>---*=#"
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>>>>nisargadatta maharaj called it the 'absolute'
>>>>and if you're fishing for descriptions there
>>>>are none to be had. if your fishing for
>>>>empirical evidence there is also none
>>>>to be had. descriptions and evidence
>>>>are symptoms of the physical dimension
>>>>but attributes of that prior most state
>>>>are not available.
>
>>> What nisargadatta called the absolute is not what you were going on
>>> about.
>
>>same thing. when life gets done bothering
>>you some call it death, others call it the
>>absolute.
>
>>> You were just going on about death being the permanent state.
>>> Are you equating that to nisargadatta's absolute?
>>> I'm not fishing for descriptions, I'm asking wtf do you think you
>>> mean?
>
>>the absolute, in conceptual descriptive terms,
>>as far as that can go anyway, *is* death.
>
>>>>> You're not a buddha,
>
>>>>you're judging this from a few words
>>>>on a screen that you don't agree with ?
>>>>rash judgements made from flimsy
>>>>evidence can't really offer any
>>>>substatiated conclusions. you'll
>>>>need to get a buddha meter from
>>>>wal-mart to be sure.
>
>>> Got one. New batteries too.
>
>>>>> there's no comparison, that's more drivel,
>
>>>>the entirety of the physical
>>>>reality is nothing more than drivel.
>>>>expecting my words to ring true above
>>>>the massive drivel inherent in all is an
>>>>unrealistic expectation.
>
>>>>> and
>>>>> you're saying nothing at all, nothing to toss.
>>>>> "Meaning is held to the confines of the physical realm"? Why do you
>>>>> bother posting drivel like that?
>
>>>>because it's true. meaning is confined
>>>>to physicality. meaning cannot be applied
>>>>to the absolute.
>
>>> You're confusing/compacting mental and all other non-absolute states
>>> with physical. And saying "I don't know what else", in the process.
>
>>physical reality encompasses slower
>>and quicker moving vibrations such
>>as thought.
>
>>>>> Why not cut to the chase, like Tang, and write "Nothing to see here
>>>>> but fluff because that's all I know. Move along."
>
>>>>knowing is also confined to the physical
>>>>reality. in that prior most state knowing
>>>>and non-knowing don't exist.
>
>>> No, knowing is not confined to the physical reality. Only physical
>>> knowing is.
>
>>in kriya yoga they say that the
>>mindstuff is part of material
>>existence. mentation is simply
>>faster moving vibrations than
>>what is normally termed physical
>>reality.
>
> They also say that in death, you don't necessarily go to an absolute
> state.
> Mindstuff does not go away for a trivial occurrence such as death.
What utter bullshit. There is no mindstuff, just brainfarts.
What you call mindstuff is selfstuff, nonsensical ego fantasy.
Death isn't trivial, it's the most non-trivial event there is: indeed
it defines us. So you and Jerry Falwell are afraid to deal with it so
you pretend you're a magical beastie made of mindstuff that doesn't
die. Pish!
A really good way to catch bullshit right off the bat is to see
science words wrongly used to pretend they are saying something
meaningful when only they are piling the woo-woo higher and deeper in
the astral plane. The most ridiculous woo-woo words are "energies"
and "vibrations". Here one of those, and you know that babbler is
talking 100%% certified bullshit.
>>mentation is simply
>>faster moving vibrations than
>>what is normally termed physical
>>reality.
That gobbledeegook makes even Keynes sound coherent by contrast.
Nope. As it turns out, brain functions, e.g. mentation, don't even
occur faster than 55 mph. It's the enormous parallel processing that
does the trick.
There is no mindstuff, only brains, and yours will eventually stop
working (not that it's functioning optimally now or anything) and will
probably be eaten by worms or zombies. Deal with it.
--DharmaTroll
