>
>"Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote in message
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>> Peter Olcott wrote:

>>> I will be gone very soon for at least a little while, I
>>> start a class...

> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"
> SeeScreen.com> wrote:
>

>>
>>"Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote in message
>>news:13ntrtl6qnna856@corp.supernews.com...

>>> Peter Olcott wrote:

>>>> I will be gone very soon for at least a little while, I
>>>> start a class next week, and after that, my job called
>>>> me
>>>> back for a few weeks, and after that another job may be
>>>> starting.

>>>
>>> Good news to hear.
>>>

>>>> Or it could be that I am the only one here that has had
>>>> the true realization experience. As it turns out the
>>>> only ...

>
>"Ali" yayaya.com> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"

>>>
>>>I asked the CyberMonk for help validating my realization.
>>>

>>
>> If I were you, I'd try mightily to forget everything he
>> said, or
>> discount it to 0%%. Seriously.

>
>So I should discount that he said that this can not be done
>through email?
>

> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"
> SeeScreen.com> wrote:
>
>

>>"Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote in message
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>>

>>>Peter...

> Ali wrote:

>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"
>> SeeScreen.com> wrote:

>

>>>"Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote in message
>>>news:13ntrtl6qnna856@corp.supernews.com...

>

>>>>Peter Olcott wrote:

>

>>>>>I will be gone very soon for at least a little while, I
>>>>>start a class next week, and after that, my job called me
>>>>>back for a few weeks, and after that another job may be
>>>>>starting.

>

>>>>Good news to hear.

>

>>>>>Or it could be that I am the only one here that has had
>>>>>the true realization experience. As it turns out the only
>>>>>Zen person that shares my view is in charge of one of the ...

> Anyone who needs someone else's opinion about their
> realization, even if it's the Buddha's, has a problem, imho.
>
> Even if they're entirely realized and don't believe they're
> realized, so what? Realization is what it is, independent of
> someone's opinion or belief,.
> If you're realized and know you're realized, great.
>
> If your state of realization is based on external
> validation.....there's a problem.

>
> Ali wrote:
>

>> Anyone who needs someone else's opinion about their
>> realization, even if it's the Buddha's, has a problem, imho.
>>
>> Even if they're entirely realized and don't believe they're
>> realized, so what? Realization is what it is, independent of
>> someone's opinion or belief,.
>> If you're realized and know you're realized, great.
>>
>> If your state of realization is based on external
>> validation.....there's a problem.

>
> And heaven help you if you need validation from
> the Japanese Zen masters who were war criminals
> in WW II and their progeny.

> On 6 Jan, 17:24, Robert Epstein verizon.net> wrote:
>

>>Ali wrote:
>>

>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"
>>>SeeScreen.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>"Allen L. Barker"

> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:24:47 GMT, Robert Epstein
> verizon.net> wrote:
>
>

>>Ali wrote:
>>
>>

>>>On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:22:45 -0600, "Peter Olcott"
>>>SeeScreen.com> wrote:
>>>

>>...