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> oxtail wrote:
>

>> What does being here and now mean to you?

>
> Let it be, dear.
>
> Tang Huyen
>
>

> On Oct 23, 9:33 am, Robert Epstein verizon.net>
> wrote:

>> Dave K wrote:
>>

>>> Ignorance and delusion are two slightly different ways
>>> of saying the
>>> same thing. Because one is ignorant to the fact that
>>> craving causes
>>> stress, so one is deluded into thinking that you can
>>> cure stress in
>>> other ways like sensuality.

>>
>> That's an awfully good summary of the basic mechanism of
>> ignorance and
>> suffering. Where would you say this fits into the four
>> noble truths?
>> Does the explanation of the cause of suffering cover this
>> ground? ...

> Tang Huyen wrote:

>>
>> oxtail wrote:
>>

>>> What does being here and now mean to you?

>>
>> Let it be, dear.
>>
>> Tang Huyen
>>
>>

>
> Much better than your usual half-baked generalizations.
> But still lacks the "power of here and now"
> so long as you are attached to the crashed people.
>
> --
> ~Stumper ...

> "oxtail" newvessel.com> wrote in message
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>> Tang Huyen wrote:

>>> oxtail wrote:
>>>

>>>> What does being here and now mean to you?

>>> Let it be, dear.
>>>
>>>

>> Much better than your usual half-baked generalizations.
>> But still lacks the "power of here and now"
>> so long as you are attached to the crashed people.
>>

>
> You do kind of go on and on about the same thing. Try and
> mix it up a bit more.
>

> On Oct 23, 9:33 am, Robert Epstein verizon.net> wrote:

>> Dave K wrote:
>>

>>> Ignorance and delusion are two slightly different ways of saying the
>>> same thing. Because one is ignorant to the fact that craving causes
>>> stress, so one is deluded into thinking that you can cure stress in
>>> other ways like sensuality.

>>
>> That's an awfully good summary of the basic mechanism of ignorance and
>> suffering. Where would you say this fits into the four noble truths?
>> Does the explanation of the cause of suffering cover this ground?
>>
>> Robert

>
> Well I think it's inherent in what I said, but maybe I can rephrase
> it. Ignorance of the four noble truths is the delusion that
> sensuality will somehow put a stop to your suffering.

> "Dave K" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Oct 23, 9:33 am, Robert Epstein verizon.net>
>> wrote:

>>> Dave K wrote:
>>>

>>>> Ignorance and delusion are two slightly different ways
>>>> of saying the
>>>> same thing. Because one is ignorant to the fact that
>>>> craving causes
>>>> stress, so one is deluded into thinking that you can
>>>> cure stress in
>>>> other ways like sensuality.

>>> That's an awfully good summary of the basic mechanism of
>>> ignorance and
>>> suffering. Where would you say this fits into the four
>>> noble truths?
>>> Does the explanation of the cause of suffering cover this
>>> ground? ...

> "Dave K" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>

>> On Oct 23, 9:33 am, Robert Epstein verizon.net>
>> wrote:

>>> Dave K wrote:

>

>>>> Ignorance and delusion are two slightly different ways
>>>> of saying the
>>>> same thing. Because one is ignorant to the fact that
>>>> craving causes
>>>> stress, so one is deluded into thinking that you can
>>>> cure stress in
>>>> other ways like sensuality.

>

>>> That's an awfully good summary of the basic mechanism of ...

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>> On Oct 22, 9:00 am, Keynes earthlinkspam.net> wrote:

>>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:50:44 -0700, pseudomodo yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>> On Oct 21, 3:49 pm, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
>>>>wrote:

>>>>> Peter Olcott wrote:

>>>>>> http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
>>>>>> Research at prestigious Princeton University provides a
>>>>>> scientific basis for this claim.
>>>>>> Their studies have shown that people can alter the numeric
>>>>>> values produced by hardware random number generators by an
>>>>>> act of the purely mental will alone. These results have a
>>>>>> very high degree of statistical significance. ...

> pseudomodo wrote:

>> On Oct 22, 12:07 pm, "Peter Olcott" SeeScreen.com> wrote:

>

>>>"Charles E Hardwidge" nospam.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:bm4Ti.35083$c_1.15377@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>

>>>>>How do you know this? Are you familiar with the brain in
>>>>>a vat thought experiment?
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
>>>>>Its really the same idea as the recent Matrix movie
>>>>>trilogy.

>

>>>>>How exactly does not tell the difference between actual
>>>>>reality, and a perfect simulation of reality?

>

>>>>How can you tell the difference between an idiot and a
>>>>simulated idiot?

>

>>>>That's a more immediate problem.

> ...

> On 22 Oct, 04:49, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
> wrote:
>
>
>

>> Peter Olcott wrote:

>>> http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
>>> Research at prestigious Princeton University provides a
>>> scientific basis for this claim.
>>> Their studies have shown that people can alter the numeric
>>> values produced by hardware random number generators by an
>>> act of the purely mental will alone. These results have a
>>> very high degree of statistical significance.

>

>> This lab closed at the end of February.

>

>> < >> decades, a small laboratory at Princeton University
>> managed to embarrass university administrators, ...