> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> On Dec 21, 10:36�pm, pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>
>

>> On Dec 21, 3:32�pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:

>

>>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>

>> Oh, you lying fuck. �These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
>> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau. �See. p. 57.

>

>> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):

>

>> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
>> abilities to one degree or another. �The Buddha himself possessed
>> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past ...

> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> oxtail wrote:
>

>> Shirley Knott wrote:
>>

>>> Tang Huyen wrote:
>>>

>>>>
>>>> Ali wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> Robert Epstein:
>>>>>

>>>>>> Tang Huyen:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Shirley Knott:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I have a...

> Shirley Knott wrote:
>

>> oxtail wrote:
>>

>>> Shirley Knott wrote:
>>>

>>>> Tang Huyen wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>
>>>>> Ali wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> Robert Epstein:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Tang Huyen:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Shirley...

> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> On Dec 21, 3:32 pm, "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote:
>

>> In _Zen Dawn in the West_ Kapleau tells a story which
>> ends with, "There is a sure way to distinguish an
>> authentic master from a bogus one: He will not tolerate
>> in his disciples an interest in or display of siddhis."

>
> Oh, you lying fuck.  These are not Kapleau's words, they are words of
> someone in a story heard second hand by Kapleau.  See. p. 57.
>
> Kapleau's words (again on p. 57 of Zen: Dawn in the West):
>
> "Anyone who does zazen seriously will in time develop psychic
> abilities to one degree or another.  The Buddha himself possessed
> numerous psychic perceptions, including the ability to recall past
> lifetimes, see into the future, and read others' minds.  But never did
> he encourage his followers to develop psychic powers as a means of
> enlightenment, or to make a vain display of any they already had."
> ...

> "Shirley Knott" wrote in message
> news:476b032c_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>

>>oxtail wrote:
>>

>>>Shirley Knott wrote:
>>>

>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>Ali wrote...