> On Feb 24, 1:19 am, Awaken21 gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Feb 23, 2:10 am, RaaN hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>

>>> Kensho, literally means "seeing nature", and refers to an awakening
>>> experience, seeing one's true nature, but not a permanent state. To
>>> reach Satori, which is a deeper lasting enlightenment requires some
>>> form of practice. My own practice is contemplation and my insights
>>> are typically brought about by long focussed thought on a
>>> philosophical problem. While I cannot claim to be enlightened nor can
>>> I say I am in a state of Satori the best I can claim is to have had
>>> many and progressively deeper moments of Kensho. Dogen once said,
>>> "Kensho is the animated activity of non-Buddhists" and this suits me
>>> well. As my insights grow deeper, more intense, more penetrating and
>>> more enduring, I may find meditation to be necessary and perhaps not
>>> even voluntary. Naturally if/when I do begin such a practice I will
>>> of course seek the advice and counsel of those experts on the subject
>>> who post on these groups. Until then I do not think my current ...

>pseudomodo wrote:

>> On Feb 24, 1:19 am, Awaken21 gmail.com> wrote:

>>> On Feb 23, 2:10 am, RaaN hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>

>>>> Kensho, literally means "seeing nature", and...

> "Tang Huyen"
>

>> But
>> if they come to peace with themselves, they
>> don't need technique. That is where protocol
>> (stopping and reconsidering) counts.

>
> it really doesn't matter. these human vehicles come and
> go with such rapidity that before you know it your
> existence addiction has spent itself out and you're
> back in that pristine untouchable state anyway.

>
>
> "^@%%>---*=#" wrote:
>

>> "Tang Huyen"
>>

>>> But
>>> if they come to peace with themselves, they
>>> don't need technique. That is where protocol
>>> (stopping and reconsidering) counts.

>>
>> it really doesn't matter. these human vehicles come and
>> go with such rapidity that before you know it your
>> existence addiction has spent itself out and you're
>> back in that pristine untouchable state anyway.

>
> Indeed, that pristine untouchable state is also
> the default state, the state where everybody ...

>
> Right, dear. Accept yourself, warts and all,
> and you'll get to peace with yourself, after
> which you won't need meditation or
> whatever. If you are a sorry fuckup, accept
> yourself just that way, namely as a sorry
> fuckup, and you will be amazed at how
> better you'll feel toward yourself. Whatever
> is wrong with you, open yourself to it, and
> it won't be wrong any more.

> Just take it all
> in and make peace with it -- with yourself.
> You won't be a star, but you'll like yourself.

> it is true that *no resistance* will allow
> you an infinitesimal glimpse of that
> pristine state filtered through your
> specific human agenda owing to the
> notion of taking the basic bane of the
> elements themselves, that path of the
> least resistnace, to its nth degree with
> great conviction, yet it can be noticed
> that resistance also plays host to that
> path of its own least resistance and thus
> comes in many flavours all disguised as
> seemingly viable windows of negotiation.

> On Feb 24, 7:56 am, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
> wrote:

>> pseudomodo wrote:

>>> Yup, that's the gig. The most important person we have to live with is
>>> myself. Getting to know our inner jackass is a start. Laughing at it,
>>> OTOH, not to take it too seriously. The smarts of mindfulness isn't
>>> pulling on the reigns of that old mule but putting a carrot in front
>>> of the sonuvabitch. Esp. when it's prone to letting events steer it.
>>> It might be a dumb jackass but'll only go where I want it to go if I
>>> convince it that it'll like what's in that direction.
>>> So, Tang. Howzit hangin'?

>> Fine, thank you.
>>
>> As to that "just being" of Tolle, I don't know
>> what he means because I haven't read him,
>> but if one can "just be" the way one is, however
>> sorry or glorious that is, one is all set. Many
>> mental culture people, after half a century of
>> industrial-strength, heavy-weight effort, are ...

> Sure, good for pretending not to cry
> for surviving their buddies.

>
> jfezl07@googlemail.com wrote:
>

>> pseudomodo:
>>

>>> "Just being" ain't nothing new. I like seeing those old dudes out on
>>> the bridge fishing by themselves w/ a beer can & I've decided most of
>>> them are actually doing just that.
>>>
>>> After WWII trout fishing was a big thing... guys came back from the
>>> war & wanted to smoke a pipe & wade in rivers by themselves - erm -
>>> pretending to fish.
>>>
>>> Many things are inherently competitive at some level but fishing for
>>> lost shoes with a bamboo pole is about as serene and relaxed as anyone
>>> can get.

>> And beautifully pointless :). Ever had an overwhelming urge to do
>> nothing?

> ...

> Awareness sets us free!