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Date: Jun 9, 2008 15:26
NoVA101 wrote:
> How many times have I heard this: You are not the mind. You are not
> the body, the thoughts, the ego, the memories.
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> You are that which is aware of all of those.
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> Enlightenment is the realization of WHAT you are. The realization that
> you are awareness itself.
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> So if you were to stop all thoughts -- which isn't really all that
> hard to do in concentration-type meditation -- then what is left? Only
> that which is aware. The real you. Pure awareness. Enlightenment.
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> Why do many teachers say this is NOT true??
It helps to think of awakening, not as a state
attained by some narrow technique, possibly fancy,
but as the completion of normal growth, and as
impossible without the completion of normal growth.
Psychology and psychotherapy in general (of course
the following is a huge simplification) are built on the
axiom that growth has little to carry around with it
because everything has been resolved and...
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Author: Awaken21Awaken21 Date: Jun 9, 2008 16:45
On Jun 9, 6:26 pm, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
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> If such simple tests are not
> passed, awakening is quite far away.
Can't really know this, could be just around the corner, each person
in their time at their pace.
> Technique
> won't help.
That doesn't seem to be what the Buddha thought, since he expounded 10
of thousands of words on technique, from consideration and actions
within a moral framwork, to meditation.
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Author: Dave KDave K Date: Jun 10, 2008 10:46
On Jun 9, 6:26 pm, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
wrote:> NoVA101 wrote:
>> How many times have I heard this: You are not the mind. You are not
>> the body, the thoughts, the ego, the memories.
>
>> You are that which is aware of all of those.
>
>> Enlightenment is the realization of WHAT you are. The realization that
>> you are awareness itself.
>
>> So if you were to stop all thoughts -- which isn't really all that
>> hard to do in concentration-type meditation -- then what is left? Only
>> that which is aware. The real you. Pure awareness. Enlightenment.
>
>> Why do many teachers say this is NOT true??
>
> It helps to think of awakening, not as a state
> attained by some narrow technique, possibly fancy,
> but as the completion of normal growth, and as ...
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Date: Jun 10, 2008 16:11
Dave K wrote:
> Maybe..
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> If a child asks you about Buddhism you don't say "Well life is full of
> suffering, everything is impermanent, you're going to die some day,
> and BTW you don't exist," since you would probably...
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Author: Charles E HardwidgeCharles E Hardwidge Date: Jun 10, 2008 16:20
"Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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> God is in transparence, God is transparence (and not any
> specific content, thing, object, essence or substance).
> Being true makes everything true (and not that there is
> some true thing out there, the cognition of which would
> make one true). If one knows that much, one doesn't
> need technique.
Talk is cheap. Tang is cheaper. But enlightenment is never knowingly
undersold.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
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Author: Déjà FluDéjà Flu Date: Jun 10, 2008 18:03
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> It helps to think of awakening...
Don't think about it at all. Since you claim
"you're nowhere near there", just sit down and shut up.
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Author: Déjà FluDéjà Flu Date: Jun 10, 2008 18:34
Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
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> enlightenment is never knowingly undersold.
brill, that one.
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Author: Déjà FluDéjà Flu Date: Jun 10, 2008 18:53
Tang Huyen wrote:
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> My experience is very limited and possibly delusional,
> and from that perspective,
...
LOL! Say that again, with a straight face, looking
at the bathroom mirror, and don't laugh - I dare you!
> I see a lot of people who
> claim “full enlightenment”...
...
I'm so "fully enlightened" that I can back up to a
loading dock using only the light from my ass.
How's that?
"Buddhists" have more attachments than a full set
of 12V power tools, d00d.
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Author: Robert EpsteinRobert Epstein Date: Jun 10, 2008 20:17
Dave K wrote:
> On Jun 9, 6:26 pm, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
> wrote:
> >>NoVA101 wrote:
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>>>How many times have I heard this: You are not the mind. You are not
>>>the body, the thoughts, the...
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