On Mon, 26 May 2008 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT), DharmaTroll
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>On May 26, 11:12 am, Keynes
earthlinkspam.net> wrote:>>
>> Knowing about brains and nerves adds nothing to experience.
>
>Actually it adds an enormous amount. In your case, because you belief
>that you're a self-existing, self-caused Ego that creates the physical
>world, of course in adds only dissonance because knowing about your
>brain would destroy your precious beliefs in your ego that creates the
>world!
You are thick as a brick.
You keep making your christian assumptions about
my position even though I've told you many times
that those ideas you hate have nothing to do with me.
>
>> It is a filter. And a dark one, since it ties experience to mortality.
>
>Actually, if you understand about brains and nerves, you start to
>understand that you can't die, because there is nobody to die. You go
>the other route, believing in a self-existing ego-mind that survives
>death.
Dumber and dumber. Can't you help it?
>But I'd say that you're escaping and in denial,
Denial of what? De Troof?
You know De Troof? What an idiot you can be.
>whereas I've
>seen past the surface and realized that death just isn't a problem. I
>understand how, being afraid of death, you have the view that you
>have. Your coping mechanisms are quite natural. Ostriches do the
>same thing.
>
You are talking about yourself to yourself.
You always do. Has your brain deflated or something?
>> And what IS mortality? Just an artifact-rule of the physical only
>> model of the world as matter in time.
>
>No, everything is in time, without exception. That's the same thing
>as saying nothing is permanent, or that everything changes. Buddhism
>isn't right for you it seems, Keynes, because the deepest principle ,
>anicca is that all is in time (impermanent). Your strive to transcend
>time is just a desperate attempt by your ego out of fear. If you
>understand that there are only brains, and that everything is in time,
>you'd probably live a more full and happy life, and not be such a
>nutter clinging to a permanent ego/mind that doesn't even exist!
>
What a one-track mind you have, DramaTroll.
There is no ego, no mind, no BS that you cling to.
You are just wallowing in an abstract meaningless soup.
And then you accuse me of that! What a maroon.
>> The world of matter is of cause and effect. This is one way to
>> think of the world, and nothing new. It goes back to prehistory.
>> It is the perennial religion that dismisses, ridicules, and condemns
>> any deviation from physical orthodoxy. On it's own terms it is
>> fairly self consistent, but necessarily self-referential and circular.
>> (And you know what that means.) It's a truism supported in
>> space by it's own bootstraps. It's true because it's true. QED.
>
>No, what you say applies to your nonsense about Mind (i.e. your ego).
>
>Cause and effect can be and is demonstrated by evidence. Everything
>is impermanent (in time, cause and effect, arising and dissolving)
>because that's how the real, physical world is. Not because of
>tautology or bootstraps like your gobbledeegook. Your claim that if
>you close your eyes the world won't exist because it's only an
>illusion created by your ego is easily disproved when I simply kick
>you in the balls. So just keep closing your eyes, and the universe
>will keep kicking you in the balls.
>
May a speeding truck fly up your nose.
You care about gain and loss, life and death.
I don't. Your world is just a self-absorbed
abstraction of abstractions. You can't tell
your ass from your elbow, son.
Why is violence the last refuge of the ignorant
physicalist? Do you think the physical world
of time makes a dime's worth of difference?
It does if you insist on putting your head in the
noose. But you know no better, and never will.
Born yesterday, die tomorrow. Who cares?
Only the fat-heads.
>> Zen is about a different way to experience life, a way to
>> transcend gain and loss, birth and death --
>
>No, it's a way to accept them, not transcend or escape. Your ego
>wants to escape. When you totally accept gain and loss, birth and
>death, then there is no problem.
Gain and loss, birth and death can not be *physically* demonstrated.
They are purely mental delusions, the rules of your ignorant game.
The rules of your model are just the rules, not the 'facts'.
You think you're a physicalist, safely grounded in the physical
'reality', but you're really an extreme idealist creating undemonstrable
entities on top of entities and worshipping them as invisible idols.
If time and motion are physically real, then produce them
physically right here and we'll weigh and measure them.
If you can't do that, then you're just blowing smoke,
you benighted and bigoted idealist.
>Only when you think you are a Mind
>outside of time does your desperation set in and then your need for
>transcendence. There is nobody here to transcend, and nothing to
>transcend. There is only just paying attention to this moment and
>accepting that everything is in time -- that is, everything is
>impermanent. It's only scary when you think you are a mind that
>creates the world.
>
There's nothing to fear in any case.
Except time. And it's not my problem. It's yours.
>> But physicalism takes gain and loss, birth and death as the
>> primary truth of all truths. Where can one go from there?
>
>Yes, physicalism take impermanence as the primary truth. Where do we
>go from there? We can see that Buddhism also takes impermanence as a
>primary truth, as well as that there is no Mind (anatta) and that the
>normal way of experiencing life is unsatisfactory (dukkha). We can
>see that Buddhism fits beautifully with physicalism. And where you
>can go from there is amazing.
>
Impermanence is bait for the fishies.
You haven't even got onto the raft yet
and have no intention of ever doing so.
Abandon the raft? You can't even abandon
the ground of the shore of delusion.
>By realizing that there is no Mind, no me, just billions and billions
>of neurons firing, made of trillions and trillions of atoms forged in
>the heart of stars, I became older than the mountains and seas, and
>connected to all things. All from totally accepting that I'm a
>brain. And meditating. I'm the frakkin' universe, made conscious.
>But I don't try to pretend that's permanent either, and cling to some
>idea that I'm some capital letter -- I'll have none of that Brahmanist
>Hin-doo-doo.
>
Then why do you keep talking about it?
I never brought it up, and yet you keep accusing
me of notions of self, ego, and eternal life after death.
These are your constant concerns, not mine.
Here you pretend to identify with the universe,
but that isn't what you identify with. You identify
with your opinions 100%%. They are yourself, an ego,
a center of 'being' and not to be challenged or messed with.
The dharma is not to identify with anything whatsoever.
There is no 'life' in time. That's just a fairy tale that you
can't let go of. As there is no life, there certainly is no
death. Just lame ideas that you condemn yourself to.
>Ultimately, I'm nothing and everything, and I experience this most
>fully every summer when I go to King's Dominion and ride my favorite
>roller coaster, The Volcano. Indeed, the Volcano roller coaster is a
>physicalist's heaven. Volcano was the first inverted coaster that
>uses LIM's to launch it to full speed-twice, LIMs being magnetic
>linear induction motors consisting of a multi-phase alternating
>current (AC) electric motor that has had its stator "unrolled" so that
>instead of producing a torque (rotation) it produces a linear force
>along its length, with the most common mode of operation as a Lorentz-
>type actuator in which the applied force is linearly proportional to
>the current and the magnetic field (F = qv Г— B). And yes, knowing
>that definitely enhances the experience even more than you can
>imagine!
>
Do you enjoy the ride with your ass or your brain?
Or is there any difference?
>I wait the extra few minutes (yes roller coasters and the lines for
>them are in time like everything else) and always sit on the front
>seat. The experience is totally physicalistic, as your brain is
>emptied of all thoughts for just over a minute:
Mine's empty all the 'time'.
>for when you least
>expect it you launch and go from 3 to 70 mph in 2 seconds. When you
>hit daylight you make a huge turn and start speeding towards the
>volcano. When you are about ready to enter you hit another
>accelerator and rocket upwards out of the mouth of the Volcano at a 90
>degree angle. Once out of the volcano you twist and turn around is
>descending making bank turns and corkscrews the whole way, finishing
>off by hitting one last accelerator and making a 155 foot drop into a
>Pitch black void, and physicalism and Buddhism become one, and there
>is no mind or ego or thought anywhere, just pure physicalist
>experience in the here and now. Pure bliss. Whoooosh!
>
>--DharmaTroll
DramaTroll, Standing in line now and forever.
Waiting for the roller coaster that never comes.
