> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about people who
> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing their
> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to successfully
> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all the
> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that enlightenment is
> related to brain state.

> Noel Friesen wrote:

>> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about people who
>> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing their
>> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to successfully
>> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
>> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all the
>> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
>> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that enlightenment is
>> related to brain state.

>
> This phenomenon of brain damage resulting in
> various kinds of unitary experiences or whatever
> that show up all the time in mystic literature is
> what I previously call the God of the gaps.
> Something in the brain/mind breaks, and such
> accidents open up a crack that allows some
> glimpse of what is outside of normal experience.
> Such cracks can open up perspectives that are ...

>
>
> Noel Friesen wrote:
>

>> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about people
>> who
>> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing
>> their
>> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to
>> successfully
>> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
>> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all the
>> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
>> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that enlightenment
>> is
>> related to brain state.

>
> This phenomenon of brain damage resulting in ...

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>>
>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>

>>> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about people
>>> who
>>> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing
>>> their
>>> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to
>>> successfully
>>> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
>>> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all the
>>> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
>>> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that enlightenment
>>> is
>>> related to brain state.

>> This phenomenon of brain damage resulting in
>> various kinds of unitary experiences or whatever ...

>Noel Friesen wrote:

>> Oneness is the doorway to the Tao.
>>
>>

>
>Hekiganroku - Case 19: Gutei's One Finger
>http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/eric.boix/Koan/Hekiganroku/019_Gutei_s_one_finger.txt
>
>Whatever he was asked about Buddhism, Master Gutei
>simply stuck up one finger.

>
> This phenomenon of brain damage resulting in
> various kinds of unitary experiences or whatever
> that show up all the time in mystic literature is
> what I previously call the God of the gaps.
> Something in the brain/mind breaks, and such
> accidents open up a crack that allows some
> glimpse of what is outside of normal experience.
> Such cracks can open up perspectives that are
> normally inaccessible to normal structures (sorry
> for the tautologies, but that seems to be how it
> works). They allow some glimpse of something
> unusual, something extraordinary, which can
> seem like what is outside of norms and standards.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/fashion/
> 25brain.html?ei=5087&em=&en=f0b145c715f17d2b&ex=
> 1212033600&pagewanted=all ...

> On Jun 15, 9:45 am, Tang Huyen gmail.com[remove]>
> wrote:
>

>>Noel Friesen wrote:
>>

>>>That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about people who
>>>have sustained...

> Noel Friesen wrote:

>> "Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>

>>>> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about
>>>> people who
>>>> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing
>>>> their
>>>> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to
>>>> successfully
>>>> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
>>>> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all
>>>> the
>>>> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
>>>> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that
>>>> enlightenment is ...

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>> Noel Friesen wrote:

>>> "Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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>>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> That's an interesting statement. I've read of case studies about
>>>>> people who
>>>>> have sustained brain damage to the centers responsible for determing
>>>>> their
>>>>> bodies orientation in space. In addition to being unable to
>>>>> successfully
>>>>> traverse a room, get spoons from their bowl to their mouths etc., these
>>>>> people all describe the kind of unitary experiences that show up all
>>>>> the
>>>>> time in mystic literature. Are those unitary experiences part of
>>>>> enlightenment? If so, there does to be some evidence that
>>>>> enlightenment is ...

> "Allen L. Barker" datafilter.com> wrote in message
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>

>>Noel Friesen wrote:
>>

>>>"Tang Huyen" gmail.com[remove]> wrote...