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Group: alt.war.terrorism · Group Profile
Author: Raymond
Date: Jan 7, 2007 15:19

David Hartung wrote:
> Miles Long wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>>> And your infavor of war crimes. If our troops act criminally what
>>>> should we do? I think that the indictment was correct. How are we
>>>> supposed to teach the Iraquis how to have a just society if we talk
>>>> justice and practice murder.
>>>
>>> 1. I am in favor of justice, and when you punish combat soldiers for
>>> responding to an attack, I am not certain that constitutes justice.
>>>
>>> This article comes from a blog, which comes from a mainstream media
>>> source. I am not at all positive that the story we are being told, is
>>> accurate.
>>
>> David,
>>
>> The facts about Mai Lai, as recounted in the original post are accepted
>> as true and accurate, your ignorance notwithstanding. The fact is that
>> to kill non-combatants and civilians is a crime. I guess it's kind of
>> like...ummm. I got it....when your country is attacked by 18 Saudis and
>> one other guy...(forgot his nation of origin) and you retaliate by
>> attacking Iraq.
>
> I am not talking about Mai Lai in 1968, I am talking about Iraq in 2006.
>
>> When one kills non-combatants and/or civilians, one is engaging in both
>> criminal behavior, and textbook terrorism.
>
> Depends entirely on the circumstances.

The circumstances:
>> When one kills non-combatants and/or civilians, one is engaging in both
>> criminal behavior, and textbook terrorism.

'Hell, this is war. We'll show you how to kill the sons of bitches."
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/My-Lai-massacre

Veteran Chuck Onan, for example, claimed he had attended parachute,
frogman, and jungle survival schools and had received special training
in torture techniques, such as stripping women prisoners, spreading
their legs, and driving pointed sticks into their vaginas. "They told
us we could rape the girls all we wanted," he said. Onan became a
member of an LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrol) unit but deserted before he
was sent to Vietnam, fleeing to Sweden so he did not have to kill.
"They just went too far," Onan said.

Another "Winter Soldier" named Michael Schneider testified that he had
shot three peasants in cold blood, had been told by a sadistic
lieutenant to attach wires from a field telephone to a mans testicles,
and was ordered by his battalion commander to kill prisoners. After a
year and a half as an infantry squad leader, then platoon leader with
the 101st Airborne Division and the I96th Light Infantry Brigade,
Schneider couldn't take the trauma of war any longer. Although he had
been awarded the Bronze Star Medal, the Purple Heart, and the Silver
Star, Schneider deserted and fled to Europe

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040216184347380

It is understandable why some men would like to forget what SOME did in

Vietnam. But to deny that atrocities were committed is tragically
foolish. We
need to understand why war is so wrong and how its results will linger
forever
in the minds of the human community and divide its people.

We are at it again polorizing the American people and losing our place
in the
entire world as a great and noble nation. We are in a Vietnam situation
again
and the results will be similar. Protests are again being seen around
the
world, as well as here at home, and if it doesn't end soon we will see
Americans killing Americans right here on our own streets over who is
right.

The American war correspondent Edgar L. Jones wrote the following
summarization in February 1946, shortly after the end of World War II:

"What kind of war do civilians suppose we fought, anyway? We shot
prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed
or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed
the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled the
flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or
carved their bones into letter openers"

In 1944, Life magazine ran a "full page photograph of an attractive
blonde posing with a Japanese skull she had been sent by her fianc
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