On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, "boat987"
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> On Sep 21, 3:19 pm, "boat987" hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> "None4You"
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>>news:B7adnY7ltedNjkvVnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@centurytel.net...>>> "Curly Surmudgeon"
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>>>news:48d3d7a9$0$22192$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:56:32 +0200, Cyberiade.it wrote:
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>>>>> In article
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>>>>> NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:>
>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:52:53 -0700 (PDT) in alt.culture.alaska, Jean
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>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 3:40 pm, "blue_collar_guy"
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>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>> "I am against gun ownership and the manufacturing of guns. I
> have
>>>>>>>> voted many times to ban guns, and have co-sponsored bills to ban
>>>>>>>> firearms of all types"
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>>>>>>>> Barack Obama State Senate Voting Record On 2nd Amendment:
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>>>>>>>> In 2004, he voted against legislation drafted to protect
>> homeowners
>>>>>>>> from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a
> home
>>>>>>>> invasion.
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>>>>>>>> In 2003, he voted in support of legislation that would have
>>>>>>>> effectively banned most of the privately held hunting shotguns,
>>>>>>>> target rifles, and black powder rifles in Illinois.
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>>>>>>>> In 1996, Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and
>>>>>>>> possession of handguns
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>>>>>>> Quit making things up.
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>>>>>> You have to understand that Gerald is a racist as well as a
>> woman-beater
>>>>>> and that he will lie about many things in order to spread his hate
> as
>>>>>> widely as possible.
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>>>>> You're the liar. Obama, besides being a bisexual negro, is a gun
>> grabber
>>>>> from the word go.
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>>>> That's not believable given that he is a married man with two children
>> and
>>>> hasn't been caught in a men's restroom offering $20 blowjobs.
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>>>> Cites?
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>>>> --
>>>> --Regards, Curly
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>> I don't know what part Obama played in this, but Illinois and Wisconsin
> are
>> the only "do not issue" states.
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> Illionos is also a Firearm Owner IDentification (FOID) state. You must
> register yourself before you can purchase a firearm or ammunition.
> Additionally, surrounding states must respect this law should an
> Illinois subject show up in their state seeking to purchase arms or
> ammunition.
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>> Other states (NJ, NY) might be hard to get
>> guns but it can be done. It just strikes me funny that Obama is from a
> state
>> that forbids people from living by the Constitution.
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>> It's also hypocritical that all Presidents and their families enjoy Secret
>> Service protection for the rest of their lives. So he knows he and his are
>> safe. The Supreme Court ruled that local police cannot be blamed or sued
> if
>> they arrive too late. We all know they always arrive too late if guns are
>> involved. There are many studies proving that areas that let people carry
>> are safer than those who don't.
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>> The bottom line is that the two parties usually vote or agree with the
> same
>> things over years. The Democrats don't like guns, they try to appease
> people
>> with small cash gifts, and so forth. The Rep's are for guns, a strong
>> military, and they favor big business. There are pros and cons to both
>> groups but I'd rather have my guns. Seeing that the average cop only hits
>> his target one time out of six shots,
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> You would think that paid professionals could do better than that, but
> the police chief's associations don't like guns either and probably
> under fund training and practice.
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>> I think citizens should be able to
>> carry. If a cop was getting the worst of it, or had his gun taken by the
> bad
>> guy, I could stop and help. Good Guys: 1 point, Bad Guys: 2 points
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>> Two and a half million crimes are prevented each year because the innocent
>> person had a gun. The police cannot be sued for arriving late. Their main
>> job is investigation and patrol. Not always useful, is it??
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>> Let's ask Obama to walk though a very bad area of Chicago alone or with
> his
>> family. No Secret Service, no guns, no help of any kind. I wonder how many
>> minutes he would last.
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> Would Michelle say? "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud
> of America..."
>
> Thank you for your perspective. This topic will be flaming hot for decades.
I was an Illinois subject due to military service, from Dec 1992 to
Dec 1996.
