> Hello:
>
> Do you still that
> "feel the more profoundly"
> is still contemporary usage?
>
> Of course, I appreciate its elegance ...
>
> -----
> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort of
> voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness of the
> things she was about to leave?
>
> Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
> http://pd.sparknotes.com/lit/bovary/section22.html
> -----

> Do you still that "feel the more profoundly" is still contemporary
> usage?

> Of course, I appreciate its elegance ...

> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort of
> voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness of
> the things she was about to leave?

> Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
> http://pd.sparknotes.com/lit/bovary/section22.html

>> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort of
>> voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness of
>> the things she was about to leave?

>
> Do you mean to ask whether contemporary usage would drop "the"? That
> would change the meaning: "the" stands for "for that reason" or
> "because of what she was doing".

> On Jun 13, 9:39 am, "CDB" wrote:

>>> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort
>>> of voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness
>>> of the things she was about to leave?

>> Do you mean to ask whether contemporary usage would drop "the"?
>> That would change the meaning: "the" stands for "for that reason"
>> or "because of what she was doing".

> This is news to me, so thanks:-)

> Marius Hancu wrote:

>> Hello:
>>
>> Do you still that
>> "feel the more profoundly"
>> is still contemporary usage?
>>
>> Of course, I appreciate its elegance ...
>>
>> -----
>> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort of
>> voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness of the
>> things she was about to leave?
>>
>> Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
>> http://pd.sparknotes.com/lit/bovary/section22.html
>> -----

>
> It's old fashioned. as much of that translation seems to be. The "the" is ...

> John Dean wrote:

>> It's old fashioned. as much of that translation seems to be. The "the" is
>> redundant.

>
> Agreed. The "the" is mainly retained in "the more..., the more".
> However, with the addition of "all", it doesn't sound old-fashioned.

> Marius Hancu wrote:

>> On Jun 13, 9:39 am, "CDB" wrote:

>>>> Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a sort
>>>> of voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the bitterness
>>>> of the things she was about to leave?

>>> Do you mean to ask whether contemporary usage would drop "the"?
>>> That would change the meaning: "the" stands for "for that reason"
>>> or "because of what she was doing".

>> This is news to me, so thanks:-)

>
> It's another survival of the old instrumental case, as in "the more,
> the merrier". I think I recall your asking about another similar
> phrase, maybe from _Brave New World_. Yes, about a year ago; thank
> you, Google:
>
> The Savage had chosen as his hermitage the old light-house which stood
> on the crest of the hill between Puttenham and Elstead. The building
> was of ferro-concrete and in excellent condition-almost too
> comfortable the Savage had thought when he first explored the place, ...

> On Jun 13, 12:49 pm, "CDB" wrote:

>>> On Jun 13, 9:39 am, "CDB" wrote:

>>>> Marius Hancu asked about Flaubert in translation:

>>>>> "Was it the better to deceive them both? Or did she wish by a
>>>>> sort of voluptuous stoicism to feel the more profoundly the
>>>>> bitterness of the things she was about to leave?"

>>>> Do you mean to ask whether contemporary usage would drop "the"?
>>>> That would change the meaning: "the" stands for "for that reason"
>>>> or "because of what she was doing".

>> It's another survival of the old instrumental case, as in "the
>> more, the merrier". I think I recall your asking about another
>> similar phrase, maybe from _Brave New World_. Yes, about a year
>> ago; thank you, Google:

>> [sinful enjoyment] He pacified his
>> conscience by promising himself a compensatingly harder
>> self-discipline, purifications _the_ more complete and thorough.
>> [my emphasis]

> Snidely wrote:

>> On Jun 13, 12:49 pm, "CDB" wrote:

>>> It's another survival of the old instrumental case, as in "the
>>> more, the merrier". I think I recall your asking about another
>>> similar phrase, maybe from _Brave New World_. Yes, about a...