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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 10, 2007 18:07
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:
> Todd's plan was to get rid of James and that was (and still is) a good
> idea,
> considering that he's a challenge threat and has both HII's, but revealing
> to James that he's a target (by allowing an insufficient number of votes
> to be
> thrown his way) was not part of the plan.
The only 'reveal' was that the minority alliance voted for James. Since
none of the majority voted for James, I'm not sure why he should be any more
worried about votes at the next TC than the last TC. If he was clueless
before of the risk, he might remain clueless.
> That was the unfortunate result of both Jean Robert (with no benefit to
> himself) angrily spilling the beans to James that he knew he had both
> HII's,
> and the could-have-been-avoided result of Todd/Amanda (and I think she
> is mostly to blame) waffling on the plan and instead going after JR
> without
> letting Peih Gee and Eric in on what was going on.
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 10, 2007 18:14
"shawn" gmail.com> wrote:> I disagree. He's a good challenge threat which is a good reason to get
> rid of him. Also they don't need to get rid of all of the other tribe
> first. I see James as being the biggest IC threat and Frosti the
> second biggest threat. Eric would also be a possible threat.
I agree that Frosti is the second biggest challenge threat to James. Frosti
won one post merge IC and came in second in this last one. I don't think
that Erik is a threat, though. At least, not as much of a physical (or
mental) challenge threat as Todd or Amanda.
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Author: Ed StasiakEd Stasiak Date: Nov 11, 2007 01:20
> Obveeus wrote
>> Ed Stasiak wrote
>
>> but revealing to James that he's a target (by allowing an insufficient
>> number of votes to be thrown his way) was not part of the plan.
>
> The only 'reveal' was that the minority alliance voted for James. Since
> none of the majority voted for James, I'm not sure why he should be any
> more worried about votes at the next TC than the last TC. If he was
> clueless before of the risk, he might remain clueless.
Beyond Jean Robert spilling the beans about the HII's and James
likely thinking Todd betrayed him, we could see that as the votes
were being read, James was worried that he had made a mistake
in not using the HII that night.
And it doesn't matter that the three votes were from Peih Gee, Eric
and Jean Robert, James is now freaked out and odds are he will
automatically use the HII if he doesn't win an IC.
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 11, 2007 14:13
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:>> Obveeus wrote
>> Yes, it was the perfect opportunity to dump James. Getting rid of
>> Jean-Robert probably benefits Amanda just as much as getting rid of
>> james, though. After all, Jean-Robert wasn't alligned with her at all,
>> but he was alligned with Todd to some degree.
>
> But Amanda controls Todd while letting him take the heat for being the
> "leader" and thus most likely suspect in any back-stabbing, so JR isn't
> as much of a threat to her as James is.
How is James any threat to Amanda? Sure, he can win ICs, but he has no
'social game' to sleak of at all. Amanda would be in good shape to face
james at F2. All he can argue is that he deserves to win because he was
born stronger than her. Amanda would be in much better shape sitting beside
James at F2 than Todd.
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 11, 2007 22:39
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:>> Obveeus wrote
>> How is James any threat to Amanda?
>
> James is now a paranoid challenge monster with 2 HII's, Amanda
> could easily end up in Loser Lodge.
You claim he is now paranoid, but you might want to wait until next episode
to see if he is any wiser than the last episode. He keeps telling us that
no one is on his side, but he still showed up to the last TC without a bag
(which likely means that he didn't even bring the HIIs with him to TC).
Even if he plays HIIs and wins ICs all the way to an F2 against Amanda, what
would he tell the jury? All he can claim as stategy is that he won ICs and
was given two HIIs. Not exactly cunning gameplay on his part. Why should
the jury think that style of gameplay is worthy of victory?
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Author: Ed StasiakEd Stasiak Date: Nov 12, 2007 00:57
> Obveeus wrote
>> Ed Stasiak wrote
>>
>> James is now a paranoid challenge monster with 2 HII's, Amanda
>> could easily end up in Loser Lodge.
>
> You claim he is now paranoid, but you might want to wait until next
> episode to see if he is any wiser than the last episode.
True, but James wasn't very happy about being put in the spot by
Jean Robert over the HII's and he wasn't happy about the votes at
TC that he wasn't expecting.
So I'm going to bet that James will be pissed off this Thur and he'll
blame Todd, (probably right after they get back from TC) and this
could have all been avoided if Amanda hadn't talked Todd out of
booting James when they had the perfect chance.
> He keeps telling us that no one is on his side, but he still showed up to
> the last TC without a bag (which likely means that he didn't even bring
> the HIIs with him to TC).
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 12, 2007 02:06
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:
>> Obveeus wrote
>> You claim he is now paranoid, but you might want to wait until next
>> episode to see if he is any wiser than the last episode.
>
> True, but James wasn't very happy about being put in the spot by
> Jean Robert over the HII's and he wasn't happy about the votes at
> TC that he wasn't expecting.
Why wouldn't he expect votes? He knew he was voting for Jean-Robert, so
given their conflict before TC, why wouldn't he expect Jean-Robert to target
him? Why would he care if he got votes from the minority alliance as long
as those were the only votes he got?
> So I'm going to bet that James will be pissed off this Thur and he'll
> blame Todd, (probably right after they get back from TC) and this
> could have all been avoided if Amanda hadn't talked Todd out of
> booting James when they had the perfect chance.
James getting booted last episode would benefit Todd, but not Amanda.
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Author: Ed StasiakEd Stasiak Date: Nov 13, 2007 01:25
> Obveeus wrote
>> Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>
>> True, but James wasn't very happy about being put in the spot by
>> Jean Robert over the HII's and he wasn't happy about the votes
>> at TC that he wasn't expecting.
>
> Why wouldn't he expect votes?
Because James ain't that good at the game of Survivor and sees his
physical prowess as something that everybody ought to respect and
honestly expected all the TC votes (other then Jean Robert's) to go
towards the tribe asshole, Jean Robert .
> He knew he was voting for Jean-Robert, so given their conflict before
> TC, why wouldn't he expect Jean-Robert to target him?
James no doubt was expecting _a_ vote thrown his way from JR
but he wasn't expecting the other two votes, especially as his alliance
buddy, Supra Genius Todd, (who claims to be manipulating the others
and supposedly knows what's going on) gave him no warning.
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Author: kenny blankenshipkenny blankenship Date: Nov 13, 2007 01:38
In article fe02.news.easynews.com>,
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:
> And even thou those three votes weren't enough to send him to Loser
> Lodge _that night_, it showed him that physical prowess ain't what
> it's all about and he is now considered a primary target and others
> (formerly allied players, like maybe Denise?) may agree with this
> assessment at the next TC.
If almost getting his ass booted out by PG and gang throwing the
challenge didn't wake him up the fact that others consider him a threat,
why do you think a couple of votes by the same people when they are the
minority alliance would do it?
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: Nov 13, 2007 02:01
"Ed Stasiak" att.net> wrote:>> Obveeus wrote
>>> Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>
>>> True, but James wasn't very happy about being put in the spot by
>>> Jean Robert over the HII's and he wasn't happy about the votes
>>> at TC that he wasn't expecting.
>>
>> Why wouldn't he expect votes?
>
> Because James ain't that good at the game of Survivor and sees his
> physical prowess as something that everybody ought to respect and
> honestly expected all the TC votes (other then Jean Robert's) to go
> towards the tribe asshole, Jean Robert .
James may have some weird thinking process, but I don't think it is logical
for you to assume he will be mad that Peih-Gee and Erik voted for him AND
that he will blame Todd and Amanda for letting that happen.
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