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Author: Bill SteeleBill Steele Date: Jul 8, 2008 20:12
> The only way it works is if it has access
> to the big heroes.
Not necessarily. The Six Million Dollar Man did OK without any name
heroes. Heroes does OK without any name heroes. Hulk did OK without
SpiderMan. Whatever universe you're in, that's what you've got.
Bringing in the big ones would screw up the willing suspension of
disbelief.
The real problem is that a show like that, even with characters created
half a century ago, would be seen as a ripoff of Heroes.
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Author: KalElFanKalElFan Date: Jul 8, 2008 22:24
>> The only way it works is if it has access to the big heroes.
>
> Not necessarily. The Six Million Dollar Man did OK without any
> name heroes. Heroes does OK without any name heroes. Hulk
> did OK without SpiderMan. Whatever universe you're in, that's
> what you've got.
In each case you're comparing your suggested series to quite
different things - (i) a TV series based on the single hero SMDM,
original to television in the 70s, (ii) a TV series based on multiple
original heroes, and (iii) another TV series based on a prominent
Marvel hero that was original to television at the time, and that
was uniquely well suited to the Fugitive-style approach they took
to it.
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Author: Martin PhippsMartin Phipps Date: Jul 9, 2008 11:10
On Jul 8, 6:27 am, "KalElFan" yanospamhoo.com> wrote:> DC is part of the problem, just like the movie side and the
> TV side have been part of the problem for 20+ years now. It's been
> one screwup and/or failure and/or botched opportunity after another.
>
> I think Bewkes needs to appoint someone at the Time Warner level,
> reporting to him, who takes charge of the entire comic genre across
> all media. Nobody can say yes and nobody can say no to anything
> major except that person. They greenlight movies and TV series,
> tell DC what to do, resolve disputes, impose some badly-needed,
> big picture, super-hero vision across all media, and within a couple
> of years DC stops eating Marvel dust.
You're looking at a glass that's half filled and you're seeing it as
being half empty. Don't forget that Warner Brothers put out Superman
way back in 1979. The movie holds up to this day and sets the...
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Author: Martin PhippsMartin Phipps Date: Jul 9, 2008 11:27
On Jul 9, 2:12 am, Bill Steele cornell.edu> wrote:>> The only way it works is if it has access
>> to the big heroes.
>
> The real problem is that a show like that, even with characters created
> half a century ago, would be seen as a ripoff of Heroes.
As Jay Leno correctly pointed out, the basic concept of Heroes is "X-
Men meets X-Men". Heroes is not the first show to rip off the X-Men
(remember NBC's The Misfits of Science or Thames Television's Tomorrow
People?) but it is the first show to acknowledge its inspiration by
having Stan Lee do a cameo!
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Author: Martin PhippsMartin Phipps Date: Jul 9, 2008 11:46
On Jul 9, 4:24 am, "KalElFan" yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> An Oliver Queen / Green Arrow series, completely rebooted
> and not a spinoff of Smallville, might have a shot on The CW
I still think Warner Brothers and Marvel Studios should stick to
making movies as they've both shown that they're better in that medium
than television. In fact, [sacasm begins] thank you for reminding me
of the horrorifying bad Mutant X series which was produced by Marvel
studios and was yet another X-Men rip off along with Heroes, the
Misfits of Science and the tomorrow people [sarcasm ends]. /Shudder/
Martin
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Author: Martin PhippsMartin Phipps Date: Jul 9, 2008 11:46
On Jul 8, 6:27 am, "KalElFan" yanospamhoo.com> wrote:> DC is part of the problem, just like the movie side and the
> TV side have been part of the problem for 20+ years now. It's been
> one screwup and/or failure and/or botched opportunity after another.
>
> I think Bewkes needs to appoint someone at the Time Warner level,
> reporting to him, who takes charge of the entire comic genre across
> all media. Nobody can say yes and nobody can say no to anything
> major except that person. They greenlight movies and TV series,
> tell DC what to do, resolve disputes, impose some badly-needed,
> big picture, super-hero vision across all media, and within a couple
> of years DC stops eating Marvel dust.
You're looking at a glass that's half filled and you're seeing it as
being half empty. Don't forget that Warner Brothers put out Superman
way back in 1979. The movie holds up to this day and sets the...
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Author: DuggyDuggy Date: Jul 9, 2008 15:14
On Jul 9, 4:12 am, Bill Steele cornell.edu> wrote:> Not necessarily. The Six Million Dollar Man did OK without any name
> heroes. Heroes does OK without any name heroes.
Original works.
> Hulk did OK without SpiderMan.
Hulk did OK, but when it was cancelled they threw in Daredevil and
Thor.
> The real problem is that a show like that, even with characters created
> half a century ago, would be seen as a ripoff of Heroes.
That's why I think that a Rising Stars series is doomed.
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Author: Rob JensenRob Jensen Date: Jul 9, 2008 21:06
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:18:14 -0400, Super-Menace
arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
>Here's the problem: How do you get the audience to like this whiny
>bastard again?
The comics' version of Superman has been a whiny bastard since John
Byrne's reboot back in 1986, so I don't see the TV viewers having any
problem with him.
Make a character perfect in personality and you've got the pre-Crisis
Superman: totally fucking boring.
-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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Author: KalElFanKalElFan Date: Jul 9, 2008 21:23
"Rob Jensen" aol.com> wrote in message
news:3q2a74li2g6751rtid92tv5ln5vivsht7q@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:18:14 -0400, Super-Menace
> arctic.com.invalid> wrote:> Make a character perfect in personality and you've got...
A Super-Strawman argument if Usenet has ever seen one!
(And it has, countless times!)
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Author: Billy BissetteBilly Bissette Date: Jul 10, 2008 11:08
> On Jul 9, 4:12 am, Bill Steele cornell.edu> wrote:>> Not necessarily. The Six Million Dollar Man did OK without any name
>> heroes. Heroes does OK without any name heroes.
>
> Original works.
>
>> Hulk did OK without SpiderMan.
>
> Hulk did OK, but when it was cancelled they threw in Daredevil and
> Thor.
Marvel or DC characters can do okay solo, without other name heroes.
And they can do okay with a team of less known characters, again
without other name heroes.
You can't go by Birds of Prey, because even if it had been an
original work, it should have failed.
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