|Re: OT -- new observations about Supe Returns -- literate may reply.
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Author: BC Date: Sep 17, 2008 18:36
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>>>>>> It wouldn't be hard for them to respect SR. There's absolutely
>>>>>> point doing the whole origin story again: even if you forget the
>>>>>> Donner film there's seven (now eight) seasons of Smallville
>>>>>> with Clark discovering his powers. It's old hat,
> *I liked Alien and Carpenter's The Thing and I liked Halloween but not the
> sequels. What made those films? The actors I think. Sigourney Weaver/Kurt
> Russell/Jamie Lee Curtis and the supporting casts.
> *I don't like Crichton's work. There is a good core of an idea that turns
> abruptly into some ordinary stuff like Jurassic Park. Good idea that turns
> into people being chased and eaten by dinosaurs. In the lst film I think
> they had Pterosaurs trying to eat them and they were probably fish eaters
> barely able to fly with their own weight let alone carry off people --
> of like big Pelicans.
> *His real stinker was Sphere -- where a spaceship from the future is found
> on the ocean bottom with a mysterious sphere on board and the crew is
> missing. Slowly the scientists get involved with the sphere and they go
> nuts. So what the frak was the connection to the ship and the future or
> coming through a time portal to the past and what the frak was the Sphere?
> We shall never know because to him it simply isn't important to give us
> reasons -- it is enough to have the people run around screaming and trying
> to kill each other. Real shit. When I see his name or King's on a film or
> book I take a pass.
> *where is some good sci fi -- Larry Niven, Greg Bear, David Brin -- or
> Burrough's martian series? How about some Raymond Chandler-Marlow made
> L.A. Confidential?
They don't make enough good films like L.A. Confidential. I'd love to
see Nolan direct a Chandler adaption he seems a good fit.
With Halloween and Alien and the Thing I see it as more the direction
and the complete proper use of atmosphere and shadows. Music plays a
major role in Carpenters films.
Could your dislike for Dark Knight over SR have a little to do with a
preference for the Superman character and the ideology of it?
*No I don't believe so. Batman and Supe are different but I like them
both -- I will say that they are the only two superheroes I like. I see
them as opposites for good. Supe is on the high moral ground -- Batman is
dark and vengeful. Supe is immortal and has to supress and control his
urges and power. Batman is mortal and has to unleash his urges and inner
demons to be more than an equal to the villains. All the other heroes are
just some kind of combination of these two I believe. Neither of the two
are physical freaks or mutants.
*Now here's a thought -- let's have Superman fight The Joker. The howling
mad plotting evil Joker tries to get the best of Supe -- well he'd better
just go for kidnapping Lois and Jimmy and wiring bombs to them in the
beginning because he wouldn't get another chance. Even then Supe moves so
fast he maybe could defuse both bombs. The Joker isn't much of a threat and
really without kryptonite no one is. Just falling is a threat to Batman --
nearly everything is a threat and we feel that -- so with Supe it has to be
different -- they have to probe his alieness -- the loneliness -- his
inability to love Lois as himself -- his fear of discovery and the threat it
poses to his friends. He's alone on an alien planet. I think Routh really
did bring that forward where Reeve didn't. Reeve's Supe was healthy and
well balanced and on top of his game. Below I will show why Routh's Supe
was not on his game because of a cut scene.
*There was an important scene(s) I think cut from SR. On the DVD there is a
scene where Supe was at home deliberating on going back to the Planet and he
finds a stack of old Daily Planets in the barn. One of them had the story
by Lois on "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman". And this rocked him at
that point -- and it sets the tone or idea that maybe he causes more harm
than good. BUT it was cut and the first we see of the story is at the
planet when he picks up a small award plaque (not sure what that was because
she had yet to be awared the Pulitzer and missed the ceremony -- why would
someone get an award that says they are getting an award?). Another related
scene to that one is him at dusk throwing the ball to the dog. Also cut was
the scene(s) where Martha has an older gentleman calling so she has someone
else significant in her life and Supe is an intruder -- Ma Kent has moved
-- but the dumb asses cut that too. I think this is a big hole that
threw off the viewer's take on what the character was doing or why he was
acting the way he was. I can see this scene(s) being an element in the
script that the actor would key on -- setting the tone for the film. Then
take away the scene(s) and cut the actor's legs out from under him. I don't
blame Routh for anything -- I think he did a fine job with the material.