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Author: Ken ArromdeeKen Arromdee Date: Nov 6, 2007 07:44
Claire: You needed to tell your boyfriend that the reasons not to come
visit are pretty severe. If you weren't going to tell him the whole story
(something for which I can think of no reason whatsoever at this point), you
at least should have explained some of it using words like "deadly" or
"laboratory experiment" which don't make him think the worst that could
happen is you getting grounded. If you had properly gotten the point across,
he wouldn't have paid a surprise visit. And if you do see him visit, for
god's sake tell him to leave immediately.
Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead of
Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally well
refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which means you
don't have to leave the girl. Take her to the present (after stopping off
in the 1930's to get ten copies of Action Comics #1 and becoming honestly
rich from your powers.)
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
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Author: M. HalbrookM. Halbrook Date: Nov 6, 2007 08:45
> Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead
> of Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
Of course, Bob is the one who would have to come up with that idea, since
Mohinder has no reason, right now, to think he's still alive.
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Author: Ken from ChicagoKen from Chicago Date: Nov 6, 2007 11:40
"Ken Arromdee" green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:fgp2fp$r5d$1@blue.rahul.net...> Claire: You needed to tell your boyfriend that the reasons not to come
> visit are pretty severe. If you weren't going to tell him the whole story
> (something for which I can think of no reason whatsoever at this point),
> you
> at least should have explained some of it using words like "deadly" or
> "laboratory experiment" which don't make him think the worst that could
> happen is you getting grounded. If you had properly gotten the point
> across,
> he wouldn't have paid a surprise visit. And if you do see him visit, for
> god's sake tell him to leave immediately.
Wes already thinks himself above mere "mundane" humans. What could she say
WITHOUT revealing her dad's identity?
> Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead of
> Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
Does Suresh know Peter's alive?
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Author: AllenAllen Date: Nov 6, 2007 14:41
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:44:09 +0000 (UTC), arromdee@ green.rahul.net (Ken
Arromdee) wrote:
>Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally well
>refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which means you
>don't have to leave the girl. Take her to the present (after stopping off
>in the 1930's to get ten copies of Action Comics #1 and becoming honestly
>rich from your powers.)
Go back and re-watch the last scene with her. The writers are
basically making the point that SHE is responsible for spreading the
legend of Takeshi Kenzo in ancient Japan in the form that Hiro comes
to know in his own time.
Without that, history woud not have the story of a well-known heroic
figure in Japanese history/culture. So she's gotta stay, or else
they'd end up in a radically different future (time changes
compounding over 400+ years).
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Author: Paul O'NeillPaul O'Neill Date: Nov 6, 2007 14:48
"Ken Arromdee" green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:fgp2fp$r5d$1@blue.rahul.net...> Claire: You needed to tell your boyfriend that the reasons not to come
> visit are pretty severe. If you weren't going to tell him the whole story
> (something for which I can think of no reason whatsoever at this point),
> you
> at least should have explained some of it using words like "deadly" or
> "laboratory experiment" which don't make him think the worst that could
> happen is you getting grounded. If you had properly gotten the point
> across,
> he wouldn't have paid a surprise visit. And if you do see him visit, for
> god's sake tell him to leave immediately.
>
> Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead of
> Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
>
> Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally well
> refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which means you
> don't have to leave the girl. Take her to the present (after stopping off
> in the 1930's to get ten copies of Action Comics #1 and becoming honestly ...
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Author: Ken ArromdeeKen Arromdee Date: Nov 6, 2007 15:20
In article <55-dnaQQht1d2a3anZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
Ken from Chicago comcast.net> wrote:>Wes already thinks himself above mere "mundane" humans.
You are aware that "mundane" is a word used by science fiction fans to mean
non-fans, aren't you?
>What could she say
>WITHOUT revealing her dad's identity?
Well, even "it's a matter of life and death and I don't mean this in some
'I'll die if I never see you way' but with real death and destruction"
might help.
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Author: Ken ArromdeeKen Arromdee Date: Nov 6, 2007 15:22
>And he HAD a copy of Action Comics #1. See the graphic novels (I think it
>was #1 or #2)
That scene was extremely stupid because it's worth at least tens of thousands
of dollars if not hundreds. You don't throw one of them away to make a
nice gesture.
Anyway, the point is that now that he has powers, he could get rich using
them. Honestly. None of this cheating the casino stuff.
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
"In a superhero story, Superman jumps off buildings and flies. In a realistic
story, Superman doesn't jump off buildings and can't fly. Deconstruction is
writing a story where Superman can't fly but he still jumps off of buildings."
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Author: jewahejewahe Date: Nov 6, 2007 15:40
Ken Arromdee wrote:
> Claire: You needed to tell your boyfriend that the reasons not to come
> visit are pretty severe. If you weren't going to tell him the whole story
> (something for which I can think of no reason whatsoever at this point), you
> at least should have explained some of it using words like "deadly" or
> "laboratory experiment" which don't make him think the worst that could
> happen is you getting grounded. If you had properly gotten the point across,
> he wouldn't have paid a surprise visit. And if you do see him visit, for
> god's sake tell him to leave immediately.
This was the only part of the story that really seemed odd to me. West
knows that Claire's father is strict about her dating, yet he shows up
and blows the whole thing.
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> Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead of
> Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
Mohinder thinks Peter is dead.
> Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally well
> refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which means you
> don't have to leave the girl.
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Author: Mark LondonMark London Date: Nov 6, 2007 16:05
Ken Arromdee wrote:
> Claire: You needed to tell your boyfriend that the reasons not to come
> visit are pretty severe. If you weren't going to tell him the whole story
> (something for which I can think of no reason whatsoever at this point), you
> at least should have explained some of it using words like "deadly" or
> "laboratory experiment" which don't make him think the worst that could
> happen is you getting grounded.
Misunderstanding/miscommunication is a very irritating common plot device used
by all lazy screen writers.
> Mohinder: You really should figure out that Peter can be used instead of
> Claire. Even if you can't get him, at least think of the idea.
He can't control his power. They may need someone capable of controlling. Or,
if they need their blood, perhaps Claire's will only work (and not someone's who
simply duplicates other people's powers).
> Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally well
> refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which means you
> don't have to leave the girl. Take her to the present.
Doing that might change history. Plus, she would have to leave her father.
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Author: M. HalbrookM. Halbrook Date: Nov 6, 2007 16:06
> In article <55-dnaQQht1d2a3anZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
> Ken from Chicago comcast.net> wrote:>>Wes already thinks himself above mere "mundane" humans.
>
> You are aware that "mundane" is a word used by science fiction fans to
> mean non-fans, aren't you?
You are aware that it has a totally unconnceted meaning that is relevant to
how West seems to look upon non-powered people, aren't you?
>>> Hiro: You know, the bit about cutting out your heart could equally
>>> well refer to your feelings that you betrayed Takeshi Kenzo, which
>>> means you don't have to leave the girl. Take her to the...
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