> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:57:18 +0100, "Smiler" Joe.King.com>
> wrote:
>

>>
>>"Christ's Love" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:05:36 +0100, "Smiler" Joe.King.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>

>>>>
>>>>"Christ's Love" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:05:23 -0400, Darrell Stec
>>>>> webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>>Christ's Love wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:54:41 -0400, Darrell Stec
>>>>>>> webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Christ's Love wrote:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:38:34 +0100, "Steve O"
>>>>>>>>> thanks.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Christ's Love" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>> p0wer_of_me_@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>On May 8, 5:17 am, Christ's Love yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "things which are seen were not made of things which do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear."

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apparently it doesn't say that.
>>>>>>>>>>If you think it does, please quote verse and chapter
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's in Hebrews 11.3. I suggest you pick up your Bible and read it
>>>>>>>>> sometime, Steve.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As Steve has stated, you do not understand what you are reading.
>>>>>>>>That
>>>>>>>>happens more than not with Christians because not only do they have
>>>>>>>>faith
>>>>>>>>in god and faith in the bible and faith that the bible is the word
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>god,
>>>>>>>>they even have faith that the translators (with an agenda and bias)
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>translating the words correctly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Might I suggest YOU read your bible? Here is the passage you want
>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>Steve, and by implication, us to read:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>pistei nooumen katertisthai tous aiwvas pemati theou eis to me ex
>>>>>>>>phainomenon to blepomenon gegonevai
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some of the key words in this passage include:
>>>>>>>>pistei -- which means basically but not literally we trust or have
>>>>>>>>faith
>>>>>>>>in.
>>>>>>>>Note that rules out knowledge. The anonymous author of Hebrews is
>>>>>>>>laying
>>>>>>>>out his proposition as a matter of faith, not knowledge and not
>>>>>>>>science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>katertisthai -- means to put in order. In other words, god did not
>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>the universe, he simply ordered what was already there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>phainomenon -- which means to shine. This is the meaning as it
>>>>>>>>appears
>>>>>>>>elsewhere in the New Testament. It is opposed to darkness not
>>>>>>>>invisibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>me -- usually used as a negation in answering a rhetorical question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So what he have here the passage means -- By trust we think that the
>>>>>>>>ages
>>>>>>>>(eons/epochs and by implication, eternity or grasping at straws, the
>>>>>>>>world) were put in order by the word of god for what is appearing
>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>made
>>>>>>>>by that not shining.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In other words from darkness came light. No invisible, indivisible
>>>>>>>>atoms
>>>>>>>>in this passage, nor any other in scripture.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's so sad to see you trying to twist and warp the Bible to suit
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> personal vanity, but there's still time to face the truth with an
>>>>>>> honest heart, Darrell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no twisting there. I gave you the Greek. Now show me where
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>twisted anything. I can read the Greek. Can you?
>>>>>>

>>>>>
>>>>> No, I can't read the Greek, but God shows me the truth in the spirit,

>>>>
>>>>Gin? Vodka? Brandy? Whisky?
>>>>

>>>>> Darrell, something an atheist can never understand.

>>>>
>>>>Nope. Atheists don't understand your delusions/halucinations, nor do we
>>>>want
>>>>to.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Always remember: Christ loves ewe, and so do I! Each and every one of
>>>>> ewe!

>>>>
>>>>Corrected it for you.
>>>>

>>>
>>> Fool.
>>>

>>
>>I'm not the one who speaks to an invisible friend that cannot be evidenced
>>and expects answers, fool.
>>

>
> You are the fool. God always answers me.
>