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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Sat, 03 May 2008 02:02:25 GMT, Non Sequiter wrote:
>>> 20%% down. And had savings, a growing stock portfolio, and was able to
>>> start investing in start-ups.
>>
>> And the sad part is Timmy, and his ilk, really do believe they did
>> this all on their lonesome selves.
>
>Am I missing something here? Who else makes a man successful but himself?
A good bit of luck. However, that needs to be combined with the
wisdom to recognize the grand opportunity that has presented itself.
Be prepared to do some hard work (even without exceptional luck, you
will do vastly better with hard work, than by luck alone).
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Thu, 01 May 2008 08:20:54 GMT, Myal hotmail.com> wrote:
>It could happen here ... who allows room in their home / survial preps
>for extra people as kids / friends / folk who just need a hand up for a
>while ?
>
>What kind of plans do you have ?
Animal feed for the beggars. They need to be inspired to make some
effort for themselves, and poor folk will eat a poor folk diet.
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Tue, 06 May 2008 00:48:07 GMT, Myal hotmail.com> wrote:
>> How does anyone pay for a meal? By exchange of valued items whatever they
>> may be. The demand will dictate the price in a free market. For gold and
>> silver a scale is used for even minute weights such as a dram of gold dust.
>
>assuming the guy providing the meal wants gold or silver in return for
>the meal provided
>
>assuming the guy providing the meal has the scales and weights to
>meansure it out with
More likely: Only assuming the guy has enough surplus that he is
willing to trade food for gold or silver. If he is short, no offered
price will be high enough.
Ultimately trade will resume, and when it does, a compact and
recognizable commidity trade will be useful.
You could do barter right now. Why don't you? Trade your dentist a
pig, or a truckload of corn. Oh...maybe he doesn't want that. But if
you go trade the pig or corn for currency (fiat paper, or gold/silver
coin), your dentist will happily do business with you...
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Tue, 06 May 2008 00:35:48 GMT, Myal hotmail.com> wrote:
>NO post Katrina , superdome , people trying to trade jewelry for nappies
>and feminine hygene products , no go , even if it was gold ...
>
>OK , it wasnt logterm , but when you got problems here n now , who gives
>a shit about long term ? its got to be dealt with here n now ...
>
>gold is good for backstop , when civilisation hasnt crashed or is
>restored again , but when things are primitive and people are relying on
Yes, you now understand. Such a commodity (gold/silver) will be
useful when people chose to move out of the "I'll trade you a pig for
some dental work, Doc..." phase.
>barter with common folk to get by ... yeah , hey , maybe folk around you
>know how to split ingots and give change for stuff ut of it , but folk
"Pieces of eight"
-- same reason "two bits" is a quarter dollar (start
with a sharp knife and the "pie" is suddenly 8 bits).
Retief
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:05:41 -0700, Frank Gilliland
cehouse.net> wrote:
>>>Yes, gold may be useful,but that depends on people around you being
>>>prepared to accept gold at an agreeable value(first problem).
>>
>>They have, for over 5,000 years -- and during periods a lot
>>tougher than anything we've seen for several hundred years.
>
>You betcha. Just last week I was at an antique shop and they had a
>gold coin that was minted by the Nez Perce tribe over a thousand years
>ago!!!
Gosh, and all this time I thought the Greeks and Romans used gold
coin. But Francis the Talking Mule says otherwise (and clearly
asserts that the Greeks and Romans traded their gold coin after the
Nez Perce tribes wandered the continent).
>>Why do you think that will change?
>
>What makes you think your version of history is correct and that
>something would need to change?
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:18:53 -0700, Frank Gilliland
cehouse.net> wrote:
>>In emerging economies there is a need for capatalists as well as laborers
>>and tradesmen. Some of you who value skills will be happy to work for
>>people like Tim May who have capital, and he will be happy to employ people
>>with skills.
>
>Those of us who have knowledge, skills and creativity won't need gold
>and won't need to work for anyone. It's called 'self-sufficiency'.
Ah yes, Francis the Talking Mule, AKA "The Omega Mule" to the rescue.
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Author: RetiefRetief Date: May 7, 2008 08:02
On Tue, 06 May 2008 10:39:55 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
inreach.com> wrote:
>>>They were still basically stone age people, equivalent in
>>>development to the Europeans of more than 5,000 years ago.
>>
>>Why? Because they didn't use gold for currency?
>
>Oh, I understand now. You don't even know what "stone age"
>means, and so why stone age people are unlikely to have gold
Francis the Talking Mule thinks that "stone age" means that they
worked metals, such as copper, bronze and iron...
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Author: Tim MayTim May Date: May 7, 2008 08:35
In article <7kf224h9gi494fb6degdgi24i1u9utt537@ 4ax.com>, Retief
wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 00:48:07 GMT, Myal hotmail.com> wrote:>>in a perfect world TS wouldnt HTF , but if it did , yeah , survivalists
>>would all have scales and weights and trade in raw metals I spose ...
>>but in reality , survivors of whatever it is are not going to trust
>>yellow metal ...
>
> That's why you stick to recognizable coinage (e.g. junk silver,
> commercially stamped and graded coin, etc).
Even tribal societies know how to weigh gold. Afghanistan, as one
current example.
Oh, and inner city ghetto kids know about grams and kilos and suchlike.
(Funny how the metric system is easily learned when the street has a
use for it....)
As for scales, there are many options:
1. Those who weigh things as a profession will emerge. They used to be
called assayers. Often pharmacists ("chemists" in England) filled in as
a sideline.
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Author: MyalMyal Date: May 7, 2008 08:46
> On May 1, 8:28 am, "\"The Rifleman\"" northland.com> wrote:>> Good point, the only extras I admit to planning for would be the Brother in
>> law and his wife, mainly extra grub I stock for them because they have most
>> of the other consumables such as camping/ hiking/ survival kit, but only
>> last night I realised that to play safe I could do with doubling the amount
>> of diesel I cache to cover his transport needs.
>> BTW on Sky news today they are forcasting a £1.50 a litre by 2009, thats
>> £6.81 a gallon or $14 an imperial gallon, or $11.50 a US gallon. Damn glad
>> I've adapting the BOv to use veggy oil as well asdiesel.
>
> Wow! Veggie oil! That's real inexpensive right now. Only about 3X
> the cost of petrol.
>
its free here ... as long as you get it used from the chippie , who is
very very often more than happy to have someone come take it away ...
the only know how required is to know how to use a filter ....
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Author: MyalMyal Date: May 7, 2008 08:58
Retief wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 00:48:07 GMT, Myal hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> How does anyone pay for a meal? By exchange of valued items whatever they
>>> may be. The demand will dictate the price in a free market. For gold and
>>> silver a scale is used for even minute weights such as a dram of gold dust.
>> assuming the guy providing the meal wants gold or silver in return for
>> the meal provided
>>
>> assuming the guy providing the meal has the scales and weights to
>> meansure it out with
>
> More likely: Only assuming the guy has enough surplus that he is
> willing to trade food for gold or silver. If he is short, no offered
> price will be high enough.
>
thats a given ... if you dont got the meal to sell , its not gunn ahappen
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