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Author: MyalMyal Date: Apr 7, 2008 00:59
CanopyCo wrote:
> On Apr 5, 1:58 pm, Frank Gilliland cehouse.net> wrote:>> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:55:48 -0800, Frank Gilliland
>> cehouse.net> wrote in
>> <0ogfv3565eeetbshnr9bcj8p9352mkj...@4ax.com>:
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>>>>> Where I sit (2" of snow just this morning).....
>> Make that 3" and still falling.
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> Here, expected high of 75 F, low 48 F.
> Started garden over a month ago.
> :-P
> :-D
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>
> If your climate became my climate, do you have seeds that would still
> work?
> ...
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Author: CanopyCoCanopyCo Date: Apr 7, 2008 02:25
On Apr 6, 3:19 pm, Frank Gilliland
>>Not using hybrid seeds because you can't replant the seeds is like not
>>using a gun because you cant reshoot the bullets.
>
> I fully understand the reasoning here. But.....
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> Let's assume that you don't have acres to play with. You have to make
> every square foot count. That might sound like an argument for hybrids
> but it's not, because the garden must provide food AND seeds for next
> year's crop.
Seeds will store for more then one year, so just use the seeds from
your storage that you have not used yet.
Plant a few of the non hybrid to use for trading and planting seeds.
After all, seeds will be good barter at that time.
>Hybrids only provide food. If you squander your land and
> energy on hybrids you might eat well through one winter, but you won't
> have anything to plant next spring.
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Date: Apr 7, 2008 02:27
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:32:20 -0400, Bob Brock i-americia.net>
wrote in <64civ3tdajs4mfphu8mablt3417lq8pva7@4ax.com>:
>I've had volunteer plants come up from hybrids that did quite well.
>The seeds from hybrid plants won't be hybrid, but they will still be
>whatever kind of plants that they were before.
That's what happens -if- it germinates. Many hybrids won't. Even if it
does, it makes more sense to just get the original to begin with and
enjoy the higher germination rate.
>>>You simply have to be ready to replant once it is determined that a
>>>flop is in the works.
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>>
>>Or maintain a full garden that is cold-hardy, and plant fair-weather
>>crops only where you have the extra space. That way a "flop" won't
>>take you by surprise.
>
>Cold hardy crops don't do well in hot weather.
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Author: OffbreedOffbreed Date: Apr 7, 2008 03:18
Frank Gilliland wrote:
> That's what happens -if- it germinates. Many hybrids won't. Even if it
> does, it makes more sense to just get the original to begin with and
> enjoy the higher germination rate.
You do know how to test for viability, right? Wet paper towel and see
how many sprout?
If the open pollinated seed is optimized for an area that's /too/
different, the seeds from a hybrid might save your ass, especially if
you save seeds from whatever grows.
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Date: Apr 7, 2008 03:37
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:25:22 -0700 (PDT), CanopyCo aol.com>
wrote in
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I started responding to your post, but after the first couple of
paragraphs I noticed that you are just being argumentative. I'm trying
to discuss an idea that I think may benefit some people. But I don't
have the time or the inclination to spar with jack-asses like you
right now. If you have any -constructive- criticism then I'm more than
willing to read it, just drop me an email to let me know when you plan
to start so I can take you out of my killfile.
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Date: Apr 7, 2008 03:51
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:18:22 -0800, Offbreed
hotmail.com> wrote in
scnresearch.com>:
>Frank Gilliland wrote:
>> That's what happens -if- it germinates. Many hybrids won't. Even if it
>> does, it makes more sense to just get the original to begin with and
>> enjoy the higher germination rate.
>
>You do know how to test for viability, right? Wet paper towel and see
>how many sprout?
Or just grow fresh seeds each year from plants that you know produce
seeds with a high germination rate. That way you have more control of
your garden and keep things as simple as possible. Why is this concept
so difficult to grasp?
>If the open pollinated seed is optimized for an area that's /too/
>different, the seeds from a hybrid might save your ass, especially if
>you save seeds from whatever grows.
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Author: ObserverObserver Date: Apr 7, 2008 04:35
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT),
hot-ham-and-cheese@ hotmail.com wrote:
>On Apr 5, 12:54 pm, CanopyCo aol.com> wrote:
>>> Finally, I suggest that everyone start a small garden right now so
>> that they have a clue what is needed to make a garden and keep it
>> going.
>
>That is exactly my plan this year. Radishes, chinese cabbage,
>tomatos, peppers and beans. Lots of salsa and kinchi, I hope.
>
Tomotillios (sp?) and onions really round out a good salsa.
>> Start with seeds, and go to harvest with one or two of each type of
>> plant that you want to grow.
>>
>> It is in no way as easy as it looks.
--
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
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Author: MyalMyal Date: Apr 7, 2008 05:17
Frank Gilliland wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:25:22 -0700 (PDT), CanopyCo aol.com>
> wrote in
> e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
>
> I started responding to your post, but after the first couple of
> paragraphs I noticed that you are just being argumentative. I'm trying
> to discuss an idea that I think may benefit some people. But I don't
> have the time or the inclination to spar with jack-asses like you
> right now. If you have any -constructive- criticism then I'm more than
> willing to read it, just drop me an email to let me know when you plan
> to start so I can take you out of my killfile.
>
>
youre really gunners alter ego arent ya ?
He made some seriously valid points , but as usual , you cannot tolerate
anyone having a view not your own
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Author: MyalMyal Date: Apr 7, 2008 05:23
Frank Gilliland wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:18:22 -0800, Offbreed
> hotmail.com> wrote in
> scnresearch.com>:
> >> Frank Gilliland wrote:
>>> That's what happens -if- it germinates. Many hybrids won't. Even if it
>>> does, it makes more sense to just get the original to begin with and
>>> enjoy the higher germination rate.
>> You do know how to test for viability, right? Wet paper towel and see
>> how many sprout?
>
>
> Or just grow fresh seeds each year from plants that you know produce
> seeds with a high germination rate. That way you have more control of
> your garden and keep things as simple as possible. Why is this concept
> so difficult to grasp?
>
All hail Franky
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Author: OffbreedOffbreed Date: Apr 7, 2008 05:57
Frank Gilliland wrote:
> I'm getting tired of silly scenarios and senseless arguments. If you
> have something constructive to add then please do so.
>
>
Of course, if someone has an established garden with a selection of
seeds that work and if the growing conditions are the same, then messing
around like this is foolishness. I thought changing conditions was part
of the basic assumption.
I'm not talking about creating hybrids, I'm talking about using the
randomness of the offspring of hybrids to create a new strain that works
under new conditions. There will not be much to eat before the strain is
developed, but there would be some.
People who hear that seeds from hybrids are useless are likely to throw
them out and starve rather than plant them and go hungry. Assuming they
don't have the open pollination strains.
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