Dear ZW,
I was significantly medicinally naive in those days, but it sure sounds like
the stuff from the contents you list and the name is a definite. She had
terminal breast cancer that matast... metatst... spread throughout her body.
P.G. County hospital, I can't nail the exact year down but it was right
around the time Keith Moon died, as I recall hearing that on the (AM) radio
rolling west on 495 after a visit, just before things went down hill PDQ.
She was about 4' 10" and 90 pounds soaking wet, so it really must have
evened her out. She was only in their terminal ward about 6 weeks getting
everything I.V. at that point, when she passed, but she was taking The
Brampton's/Brompton's for months after they dropped the terminal verdict on
my Grandfather who decided she may as well be home if she could be
comfortable. I wasn't so naive that my ears didn't perk up at the mention of
morphine mixed with cocaine, though any personal experience with such drugs
lay a good decade plus in the future. What can I say, I was a late bloomer.
Hell, I didn't pick up my first coffin nail till I was in my mid/early 20's.
I can even recall the label, it was definitely Dr Brampton/Brompton's magic
juice, without question...
We have come a long (not a good) way--og
"Zombywoof"
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news:kdl3549geiq6nrng5s0ta9bv1ds57c9kg4@4ax.com...>>This isn't really our bag, but I can tell you from decades ago that opium
>>in
>>the right form and quantity sure can act as a hallucinogen. I don't expect
>>that has changed with time. But I can see hallucinating yourself right in
>>to
>>another broken rib or ankle or something. When those pretty lights turn in
>>to the cross-town bus, are you going to be able to get out of the way fast
>>enough?
>>I think there used to be opium in Ouzo (a greek liquor like anisette but
>>with the kick of a mule) but that was probably over in the days they took
>>the coke out of coke-a-cola. The only other opium/liquor combination I
>>know
>>of (which doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of others) was the old
>>medication
>>Laudanum. Opium and grain alcohol. Bleech. There's a good test for finding
>>out if your pain is honest. Tolerate the taste and you gotta be in pain.
>>There was a drug back in the 70's called Brompton's syrup, used for cancer
>>pain (my grandmother was on it) that had morphine, cocaine and alcohol in
>>it. It still exists outside the US (it did until recently anyway) but they
>>dropped the cocaine. It all must have worked to knock out the pain without
>>knocking out the patient, since Grandma was a very small person and I
>>never
>>recall her showing any side effects or delirium, until the very end, when
>>it
>>was all they could do but keep her semi conscious.
>>This isn't what they mean by herbal medicine is it? Just be careful with
>>this shit. Remember even in a pill, prescribed by a licensed physician,
>>you
>>are still essentially dealing with a poison. It's a medication only
>>because
>>they can control the amount of it. What you're doing is no safer than
>>going
>>out on the street and copping a bag of heroin. Like a box of chocolates,
>>you
>>never know what you're going to get. It's this kind of shit that really
>>gets
>>me pissed off. If you had a doctor that wasn't a coward and actually
>>treated
>>your broken rib pain with a medication meant to do so, you wouldn't be
>>playing Russian Roulette out in the garden. But ribs are one of those
>>injuries, that while not chronic and will eventually heal, takes a long
>>time, and most docs are afraid to treat with any opiate pain control and
>>if
>>they do, you aren't going to be getting it the whole time you're healing.
>>Like a back problem, it gets intense with every little movement, and even
>>in
>>your case, breath.
>>I gotta say it, be real careful and please consider a search for a doctor
>>that's not a paranoid, coward, narcophobe. You shouldn't have to use
>>yourself as a guinea pig making your own medicine and risking your life in
>>the bargain. Just think about it, Ok?
>>
>>Be safe--og
>>ps- this is something you'd probably get more info from in the
>>alt.drugs.hard group. We're (or I hope we are) a little more medically
>>oriented. Those guys may be able to give you more info on your plant. Be
>>careful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>news:96d3f7de-47c1-469e-9540-70ec8b4f3908@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...>>>I don't know of any brands off hand, but isn't it possible to make a
>>> liqour out of opium gum or latex, and the plant parts, along with
>>> other compatible opiates filled plants, for a pain killer type of
>>> liqour, that might be not only medicinal, but tasty, and controllable
>>> as far as personal use and addictive properties go?
>>>
>>> They always paint opium users as hopelessly addicted persons, who are
>>> out of control, after smoking opium. Some users report that they
>>> suffer severe cravings for opium after using it, I suppose as a smoked
>>> opium. Heroin is four times the potency of plain old opium, and
>>> apprently, it's a partly synthetic derivative, as it is derived by
>>> combinining opium with other chemicals. The details of the process are
>>> on the internet for those interested. In the UK, heroin is used as a
>>> pain killer, as far as I can gather, as they haven't outlawed it, out
>>> right, as they have done here, in the U.S. Wouldn't it be interesting
>>> to see if there were some kind of herbal opium based liqour that could
>>> be marketed for persons who wanted to imbibe the pain relieving,
>>> helpful properties of heroin, or morphine from opium, something like,
>>> Absinthe a plant herbs and spices based liquor is imbibed, with its
>>> slightly euphoric and hallucinogenic affects.
>>>
>>> There is a tree that grows in the desert southwest, that has small
>>> olive sized berries on it. They contain high amounts of opiates, I
>>> believe. I picked some, slowly dried them out in a toaster oven, and
>>> then made a tea out them. They gave me relief from a cracked rib I had
>>> suffered one day, as I lost my balance when I stumbled into a pot hole
>>> in a parking lot, and wasn't looking where I was going. I also
>>> hallucinated with very interesting objects appearing in my field of
>>> view, in my eyeballs. I marveled at how pretty and unformly shaped the
>>> objects were. The tree is legal, and the berries, if you harvest them,
>>> can be dried like coffee beans, and then made into a brew that is very
>>> helpful for countering pain. I used it for about three weeks, daily,
>>> and when I used it all up, and when the berries more or less
>>> disintegrated into the water I was boiling them in, I didn't
>>> especially feel any withdrawl, or craving. But I did notice the pain
>>> as it came back, as my ribs were not healed, completely. What is the
>>> tree's name? I don't know. I've never asked any one. I do know the
>>> berries develop with a light green color, and then can turn reddish
>>> greenish blueish, on some trees, or dark purplish black, on other
>>> trees. The berries are generally nice sized, and can grow to a size of
>>> queen olives, or slightly about that size. They are not olives,
>>> though. The leaves are long, about one and a half inches, and about
>>> one quarter of an inch wide. They are a greenish color, and the
>>> underside of the leaves is lighter in green than the top side of the
>>> leaf. The leaves bend slightly, and have a droopy look. There are so
>>> many friggen trees that grow in the desert southwest, and that are
>>> native, I haven't got the time to look at every one of them, to find
>>> out which one it is. See,
http://www.forestimage.com/trees.html
>>> Devil's horn might be a good name for the tree as that is the
>>> impression you get, of a devil's horn, if you look at the whole tree
>>> as it 'droops'. Anyway, it's pretty potent stuff, in them berries, and
>>> you won't be wasting your time, if you find it, and dry the berries in
>>> an toaster oven, slowly, at a low temperature, until they are nice,
>>> solid, and hard. The taste isn't any thing special, it's a little
>>> acrid or bittery. The first cup is the best and most potent, but you
>>> can continue to heat them up in fresh water from the tap, a number of
>>> times, and it will still be useful as a pain killing brew, until they
>>> start to fall apart and disintegrate to pieces. By then, they become
>>> fairly useless.
>>>
>>> There are a number of olive berrie type producing trees in the desert
>>> southwest, so you have to pay attention to leaf sizes, shapes, and
>>> textures to be sure to get the right tree. I think the other olive
>>> berrie trees are just fruit or vegetable trees, as some are sweet
>>> which I suppose makes the berries fruit, and some are just typical
>>> olive tree berries, which I guess makes the berries vegetables.
>>>
>>> It would be possible, I would think, to combine these along with opium
>>> flower pods, into a recipe for a nice liqour, but first you have to
>>> learn how to make liqour, and then you have to spice it with what you
>>> think will improve the taste, and enhance the usefulness of the
>>> product, in such a way as to not cause the product to diminish in
>>> usefulness for all the combined individual plants. I'll see if I can
>>> find someone who knows what those trees are called, someday. They are
>>> very hardy, and lots of people grow them in their yards around their
>>> homes.
>>>
>>> Jonjon
