> http://www.uwex.edu/CES/flp/pp/pdf/punishmt.pdf
>
> Parenting the Preschooler
> Joan E. LeFebvre
> Area Family Living Agent
> University of Wisconsin-Extension
> Vilas, Forest, Florence Counties
>
> What the Research Says About Physical Punishment
>
> Why do parents spank their children? According to
> Murray Straus, a national family violence researcher,
> the obvious answer is to correct misbehavior. But
> another reason is that it's expected of them. In the
> United States legal and social norms give parents the
> right to use physical punishment to control and train
> their children.

> On Jul 9, 12:07 pm, "0:-]" gmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.uwex.edu/CES/flp/pp/pdf/punishmt.pdf
>>
>> Parenting the Preschooler
>> Joan E. LeFebvre
>> Area Family Living Agent
>> University of Wisconsin-Extension
>> Vilas, Forest, Florence Counties
>>
>> What the Research Says About Physical Punishment
>>
>> Why do parents spank their children? According to
>> Murray Straus, a national family violence researcher,
>> the obvious answer is to correct misbehavior. But
>> another reason is that it's expected of them. In the
>> United States legal and social norms give parents the
>> right to use physical punishment to control and train
>> their children. ...

> On Jul 9, 12:07 pm, "0:-]" gmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.uwex.edu/CES/flp/pp/pdf/punishmt.pdf
>>
>> Parenting the Preschooler
>> Joan E. LeFebvre
>> Area Family Living Agent
>> University of Wisconsin-Extension
>> Vilas, Forest, Florence Counties
>>
>> What the Research Says About Physical Punishment
>>
>> Why do parents spank their children? According to
>> Murray Straus, a national family violence researcher,
>> the obvious answer is to correct misbehavior. But
>> another reason is that it's expected of them. In the
>> United States legal and social norms give parents the
>> right to use physical punishment to control and train
>> their children.

> ...

> Beliavsky schrieb:

>> On Jul 9, 12:07 pm, "0:-]" gmail.com> wrote:

>>> http://www.uwex.edu/CES/flp/pp/pdf/punishmt.pdf
>>>
>>> Parenting the Preschooler
>>> Joan E. LeFebvre
>>> Area Family Living Agent
>>> University of Wisconsin-Extension
>>> Vilas, Forest, Florence Counties
>>>
>>> What the Research Says About Physical Punishment
>>>
>>> Why do parents spank their children? According to
>>> Murray Straus, a national family violence researcher,
>>> the obvious answer is to correct misbehavior. But
>>> another reason is that it's expected of them. In the
>>> United States legal and social norms give parents the
>>> right to use physical punishment to control and train ...

>>>>

> I dont think obedience is even a useful goal to have for your child. I
> prefer to teach judgement.
>
>

>>>>>

>

>> I dont think obedience is even a useful goal to have for your child. I
>> prefer to teach judgement.

>
> I prefer that they obey until they learn judgment. There are rules for a
> reason. If I tell my kids not to run in the road in front of cars I would
> prefer they obey because the natural consequence of being hit by a car is
> not something I am willing to risk. The whole talk to them and eventually
> they will just do what is right because you talked their ear off is bull.
>

> "Tori M" MungedUpcenturytel.net> wrote in message
> news:B8OdnQSEaNd9FQ_bnZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@centurytel.net...

>>> I dont think obedience is even a useful goal to have for your child. I
>>> prefer to teach judgement.

>> I prefer that they obey until they learn judgment. There are rules for a
>> reason. If I tell my kids not to run in the road in front of cars I would
>> prefer they obey because the natural consequence of being hit by a car is
>> not something I am willing to risk. The whole talk to them and eventually
>> they will just do what is right because you talked their ear off is bull.
>>

>
>
> Hmmm that is a fair amount of assuming I said things I did not say.
>
> First definition of obedience that I found:
>
> a.. the act of obeying; dutiful or submissive behavior with respect to
> another person
> ...

> By the way, it doesn't work very well.
>

>> If I tell my kids not to run in the road in front of cars I
>> would prefer they obey because the natural consequence of being hit by a
>> car is not something I am willing to risk.

>
> Of course.
>
> If your child is so young he lacks sufficient judgement, why is he
> being allowed access to road traffic at all?
>
> Are you not, as the parent, responsible for maintaining his safety,
> even if it means fencing your yard, and putting a child proof latch on
> the gate?

> Or if younger, simply keeping him attached to you physically where you
> are on foot in traffic?
>

>> The whole talk to them and
>> eventually they will just do what is right because you talked their...

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:59:52 -0700, Beliavsky aol.com>
> wrote:
>

>> On Jul 9, 12:07 pm, "0:-]" gmail.com> wrote:

>>> http://www.uwex.edu/CES/flp/pp/pdf/punishmt.pdf
>>>
>>> Parenting the Preschooler
>>> Joan E. LeFebvre
>>> Area Family Living Agent
>>> University of Wisconsin-Extension
>>> Vilas, Forest, Florence Counties
>>>
>>> What the Research Says About Physical Punishment
>>>
>>> Why do parents spank their children? According to
>>> Murray Straus, a national family violence researcher,
>>> the obvious answer is to correct misbehavior. But
>>> another reason is that it's expected of them. In the
>>> United States legal and social norms give parents the ...

> 0:-] wrote:

>> If someone spanked you, would you not charge them with assault, and
>> could you not take them to civil court for both physical (if you
>> suffered any) and emotional damage and collect a large settlement?

>
> I was spanked as a kid and I can tell you that I do not have resentment
> to my mother for the spankings. I can also tell you I was a very good
> child in general. I feel guilty very easy. It made me easy to correct.