> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mgs-20061206.html
>
> O.O
>
> Wow! This may help push the average populace to support additional
> space exploration!! WooHoo!

> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mgs-20061206.html
>
> O.O
>
> Wow! This may help push the average populace to support additional
> space exploration!! WooHoo!

> I'll put my two cents in by saying that I don't want a moon base just to gift aerospace industries with make-do work or to do esoteric geological rock collecting. Or so that a lucky few undeserving bastards who aren't likely to be me get to bunny hop around in bulky and expensive suits.
>
> If we are gonna go a-splorin' we need some friggin' engineering! As in better propulsion and better vehicles to do that propelling in. The Space Shuttles need to be scrapped ASAP, as in they shouldn't even launch another one. Those things are a marvel of shitty, overcomplicated design and do nothing well or cheaply as extolled when they sold these pigs to us. Are we just doing a daredevil show now waiting for the next one to a'splode?
>
> I don't think a "Mission to Mars" is likely to discover aliens...

>> I'll put my two cents in by saying that I don't want a moon base just
>> to gift aerospace industries with make-do work or to do esoteric
>> geological rock collecting. Or so that a lucky few undeserving
>> bastards who aren't likely to be me get to bunny hop around in bulky
>> and expensive suits.
>>
>> If we are gonna go a-splorin' we need some friggin' engineering! As in
>> better propulsion and better vehicles to do that propelling in. The
>> Space Shuttles need to be scrapped ASAP, as in they shouldn't even
>> launch another one. Those things are a marvel of shitty,
>> overcomplicated design and do nothing well or cheaply as extolled when
>> they sold these pigs to us. Are we just doing a daredevil show now
>> waiting for the next one to a'splode?
>>
>> I don't think a "Mission to Mars" is likely to discover aliens who are
>> us or a trip to the "Red Planet" finding a cure for our dying ecosphere.
>> Blue skies on Mars? Kiss me before I wake up!
>>
>> Will we find a monolith at Jupiter? Or will we find Pluto wedged in ...

>> I've been amazed by how resistant NASA scientists are to admitting that there is flowing water on Mars. It's been obvious from photographs for years, maybe a decade. Yet there are still scientists unwilling to accept the evidence, who are talking about land slides and flowing liquid CO2. It's water, for freakin' sake!

>
>
> I don't believe it until I see water. And I want someone to check the friggin' thermometer. How COLD is it where there is supposedly this 'water'?
>
> Faith makes for very bad science.
>
> Faith also makes for assholes who make war based on their pecuilar ideas of gods and afterlives which is one of the reasons we don't have the fucking money to go and find out if there's water on Mars.
>
> Put praise imaginary gods that we are bring democracy to the Middle East...

>>> I've been amazed by how resistant NASA scientists are to admitting
>>> that there is flowing water on Mars. It's been obvious from
>>> photographs for years, maybe a decade. Yet there are still scientists
>>> unwilling to accept the evidence, who are talking about land slides
>>> and flowing liquid CO2. It's water, for freakin' sake!

>>
>>
>> I don't believe it until I see water. And I want someone to check the
>> friggin' thermometer. How COLD is it where there is supposedly this
>> 'water'?
>>
>> Faith makes for very bad science.
>>
>> Faith also makes for assholes who make war based on their pecuilar
>> ideas of gods and afterlives which is one of the reasons we don't have
>> the fucking money to go and find out if there's water on Mars.
>>
>> Put praise imaginary gods that we are bring democracy to the Middle
>> East! Once we get the job done there then we can spend money on this ...

> "Elvis Gump" wrote in message
> news:5o8eh.2681$SV1.1493@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> I'm greatly entertained by guys like Stephen Hawkings who says we need
>> to get off this stupid blue marble that is over-run with ape-like idiots
>> if we are to survive as a species. I heartily agree and when ever I see
>> UFOs I always try to flag them down for a ride. Because short of that or
>> a paradigm shift in what we know about physics and propulsion we aren't
>> going anywhere in space worth going.
>>
>> OTOH
>>
>> Now, if NASA said "We need volunteers to go to Mars. It will be
>> exceedingly dangerous and the gravity and conditions pretty much mean
>> you will never be able to come back after a few years..." I would say
>> hey, what's the downside? Sign me up! The older I get the more I hate
>> living here on this planet with superstitious chimps that think there's a
>> Santa Claus-like figure ready to reward their dogma with eternal party
>> time and eternal punishment for their enemies...
>> ...

> Snake wrote:

>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mgs-20061206.html
>>
>> O.O
>>
>> Wow! This may help push the average populace to support additional
>> space exploration!! WooHoo!

>
> Why? Because there may be life there? Are we banking our entire future in
> space on the hope of finding life on a planet that is almost certainly
> entirely barren? Is that the best reason we can give? Am I using too many
> question marks???

> Snake wrote:

>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mgs-20061206.html
>>
>> O.O
>>
>> Wow! This may help push the average populace to support additional
>> space exploration!! WooHoo!

>
> Why? Because there may be life there? Are we banking our entire future in
> space on the hope of finding life on a planet that is almost certainly
> entirely barren? Is that the best reason we can give? Am I using too many
> question marks???

> Following on from earlier rants: we need to stop justifying space travel on
> the basis of fringe benefits like- "we may find life" (we probably won't),