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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Oct 11, 2006 09:19
I think STs 2 through 4 can be seen as somewhat of a trilogy, where we see
Spock sacrifice himself for his friends, his friends sacrifice themselves
for him (or at least their CAREERS), his successful recovery and then the
aftermath.
One thing I'd like to know how much time passes between 2 and 4? At the
beginning of Search for Spock, a lot of the crew have already left the
Enterprise, which would take what? A week? Two? And we know...
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Author: Al SmithAl Smith Date: Oct 11, 2006 09:39
> I think STs 2 through 4 can be seen as somewhat of a trilogy, where we see
> Spock sacrifice himself for his friends, his friends sacrifice themselves
> for him (or at least their CAREERS), his successful recovery and then the
> aftermath.
>
> One thing I'd like to know how much time passes between 2 and 4? At the
> beginning of Search for Spock, a lot of the crew have already left the
> Enterprise, which would take what? A week? Two? And we know it was a few
> months between 3 and 4, so...Any guesses? I think the whole shibang from the
> beginnig of Wrath of Khan and the end of Voyage home is six months.
The continuity between ST3 and ST4 is caused by the use of the
Klingon bird of prey in both movies. It's linked to the earlier
two, but ST2 and ST3 are really tight, thematically.
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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Oct 8, 2006 06:19
Saw "Wrath of Khan" last night on Spike. I just realized what made the movie
so different from the five other TOS movie outings: granted, the movie isn't
TOTAL nihilistic, but there are some really dark moments in there. Khan
basically torturing Chekov and Terrell, Khan pulling a Pearl Harbor on the
Enterprise. And, this is the cherry on the sundae, Spock dying. Of course,
there IS the message of sacrifice (the needs of the many outweighing the
needs of the few or one), friendship and creating life out of death.
I think this is the best of the Trek movies, hands down. No overt messages.
None parables. BTW, I think the only TNG era show that MIGHT pull something
like this off is DS9.
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Author: AlfAlf Date: Oct 8, 2006 06:29
I agree that The wrath Of Khan is the best Trek movie. I REALLY liked how
they based it on an episode form the original series. After noticing that
right away, I was hoping they would follow suit and make others based on
episodes. Oh Well. BTW, Ricardo Montalbon plays one HECK of a good villain!
His cool calm personality draws you in and then, his dark side of the
character comes out.
Alf
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Date: Oct 8, 2006 07:15
> Saw "Wrath of Khan" last night on Spike. I just realized what made the
> movie so different from the five other TOS movie outings: granted, the
> movie isn't TOTAL nihilistic, but there are some really dark moments in
> there. Khan basically torturing Chekov and Terrell, Khan pulling a Pearl
> Harbor on the Enterprise. And, this is the cherry on the sundae, Spock
> dying. Of course, there IS the message of sacrifice (the needs of the many
> outweighing the needs of the few or one), friendship and creating life out
> of death.
>
> I think this is the best of the Trek movies, hands down. No overt
> messages. None parables. BTW, I think the only TNG era show that MIGHT ...
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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Oct 8, 2006 07:55
And the thing you have to remember about Montalbon is that he was playing on
"Fantasy Island" and doing Chrysler commercials (with the fine, Corinthian
Leather) at the time. Seeing him play a warped version of Ahab to Kirk's
Moby Dick was a really nice departure.
"Alf" mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:637Wg.8720$o71.6702@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>I agree that The wrath Of Khan is the best Trek movie. I REALLY liked how
> they based it on an episode form the original series. After noticing that
> right away, I was hoping they would follow suit and make others based on
> episodes. Oh Well. BTW, Ricardo Montalbon plays one HECK of a good
> villain!
> His cool calm personality draws you in and then, his dark side of the
> character comes out.
> ...
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Author: Al SmithAl Smith Date: Oct 8, 2006 10:33
> Saw "Wrath of Khan" last night on Spike. I just realized what made the movie
> so different from the five other TOS movie outings: granted, the movie isn't
> TOTAL nihilistic, but there are some really dark moments in there. Khan
> basically torturing Chekov and Terrell, Khan pulling a Pearl Harbor on the
> Enterprise. And, this is the cherry on the sundae, Spock dying. Of course,
> there IS the message of sacrifice (the needs of the many outweighing the
> needs of the few or one), friendship and creating life out of death.
>
> I think this is the best of the Trek movies, hands down. No overt messages.
> None parables. BTW, I think the only TNG era show that MIGHT pull something
> like this off is DS9.
It was the best of the Trek films, because it simply told a very
entertaining story, with a great character at its center. The
battle between Kirk and Khan will never be equaled -- I'm talking
about the struggle that extended throughout the film, not any
particular fist fight.
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Author: RagnarRagnar Date: Oct 8, 2006 11:22
Benjamin Pavsner wrote:
> Saw "Wrath of Khan" last night on Spike. I just realized what made the movie
> so different from the five other TOS movie outings: granted, the movie isn't
> TOTAL nihilistic, but there are some really dark moments in there. Khan
> basically torturing Chekov and Terrell, Khan pulling a Pearl Harbor on the
> Enterprise. And, this is the cherry on the sundae, Spock dying. Of course,
> there IS the message of sacrifice (the needs of the many outweighing the
> needs of the few or one), friendship and creating life out of death.
>
> I think this is the best of the Trek movies, hands down. No overt messages.
Well, no overt messages except for the ones you pointed out. "Of course,
there IS the message of sacrifice (the needs of the many outweighing the
needs of the few or one), friendship and creating life out of death."
Make up your mind.
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Author: ToolPackinMamaToolPackinMama Date: Oct 8, 2006 12:47
You know, dark stories are not unusual for Star Trek. Charlie X,
Empath, Alternative Factor, Wolf In The Fold? All that torture and
pain... and at the end, did the good guys win?
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Author: JaxtrawJaxtraw Date: Oct 9, 2006 07:54
Snake wrote:
>> Saw "Wrath of Khan" last night on Spike. I just realized what made
>> the movie so different from the five other TOS movie outings:
>> granted, the movie isn't TOTAL nihilistic, but there are some really
>> dark moments in there. Khan basically torturing Chekov and Terrell,
>> Khan pulling a Pearl Harbor on the Enterprise. And, this is the
>> cherry on the sundae, Spock dying. Of course, there IS the message
>> of sacrifice (the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few
>> or one), friendship and creating life out of death.
>>
>> I think this is the best of the Trek movies, hands down. No overt
>> messages. None parables. BTW, I think the only TNG era show that
>> MIGHT pull something like this off is DS9.
>
> Most people agree with you. :)
>
> For myself, it's definitely TMP though. The most "sci-fi", the most
> character driven, the most introspective of those characters. ...
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