> While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Friday, April 11,
> 2008, bc_gisele rolled initiative and posted the following:
>

>> "Kweeg" wrote in
>> news:IeyLj.40225$rd2.7319@pd7urf3no:
>>

>>> "Derek" wrote in message
>>> news:1esuxtgutumrh$.dlg@gwinn.us...

>>>> While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Thursday, April
>>>> 10, 2008, ToolPackinMama rolled initiative and posted the following:
>>>>

>>>>> Kweeg wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> Yet more Fanon. No where was it categorically stated that Kirk had
>>>>>> never driven a car.

>>>>>
>>>>> Have you SEEN "A piece of the action"? Do you remember the scene
>>>>> where he drove?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wheels, Mr. Spock.
>>>>>
>>>>> A flivver, Captain.
>>>>> Key in the ignition. Turn the ignition on ...
>>>>> and nothing happens. Where's the starter? There's the
>>>>> starter.[Engine Starts] Yes!

>>>>
>>>> Clearly demonstrating that he knew that if a car didn't start when
>>>> you turned the key that you had to look for a starter button/switch.
>>>>
>>>> How many drivers today do you think would know to look for a starter?
>>>>

>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Grinding]
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops! Gears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Oh, I believe they had a device known as a ... clutch. Clutch,
>>>>> Captain. Perhaps one of those pedals on the floor.

>>>>
>>>> Ever seen someone drive with a manual transmission for the first
>>>> time? Looks rather similar to POTA, even if they're experienced with
>>>> an automatic transmission.
>>>>

>>>>> I kind of like this. I'm going to get one myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Crash]
>>>>>
>>>>> [Backfiring]
>>>>>
>>>>> [Honk]
>>>>>
>>>>> Captain, you are an excellent starship commander. But as a taxi
>>>>> driver, you leave much to be desired.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, Kweeg, explain how me saying Kirk couldn't drive is "fanon"?
>>>>> Everything you say only makes me look good, keep talking.

>>>>
>>>> Fanon or not, the claim does ignore the knowledge Kirk demonstrates,
>>>> even if he's going to rip that clutch from the transmission.

>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>> TPM ignores facts (as well as out and out denying them) when they are
>>> inconvenient or do not suit her needs for her flimsy theories.
>>> No amount of actual facts and logical debate will convince her other
>>> wise. Sorta like arguing with a 4 year old.

>>
>> Well, I don't know about that. He would know that a car or any motor
>> vehicle would need some sort of starter so that doesn't show that he knows
>> how to drive. Seems to me, that even once the car got started and he was
>> moving forward, he still didn't know how to drive.
>>
>> Gisele

>
> Watch someone driving stick for the first time. He or she will get so
> focussed on controlling both their left foot and the stick at the same
> time that they will drive poorly until they get the hang of it.
>
> That's why most people try it in a parking lot the first time, and not
> on the street.
>
> As I recall - Kirk was driving better by the time they stopped and got
> out. This suggests that steering the car wasn't a problem once he got
> the gear shifting under control.