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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Dec 12, 2006 18:22
1. I'm not saying the current version of CR is like the book, but the
story's far closer than, say, "Man with the Golden Gun" was, where the only
simularities is the characters (Bond, M, Scaramonga) had the same name. In
the book, Bond even tries killing M in the beginning, which I'm sure would
NEVER wash in the movie. Stories aside, and not to mention ironically, with
all the critizism Craig took for not having dark enough features, his
portrayal of Bond is probably the closest to the books of the six who've
played 007.
2. How would I reboot Trek? I'd probably do what they did with Superman back
in the mid 80s: the surface stuff stayed the same. Supes has the same basic
abilities. Kent still works at the Daily Planet with Lois Lane and Perry
White. Lex Luthor still the big bad. But it was the details that differed:
Supes wasn't as powerful as he was. Lex's public persona wasn't as a
villian, but Metropolis' great benifactor (despite certain people knowing
what a scumbag he really was). Even the Ma and Pa Kent were still alive.
So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the backstories a
wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced...
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Author: ToolPackinMamaToolPackinMama Date: Dec 12, 2006 19:34
Benjamin Pavsner wrote:
> So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
> Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the backstories a
> wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced civilization like
> the Vulcans could develope on a planet sized DESERT! That's the whole
> discussion with Mars right now: we can't discuss life there until we can
> find evidence that water was there. That's essential. Can't have so much as
> a blade of grass, much less a complex humanoid organism like a Vulcan.
OK, maybe ~all~ of Vulcan is not a desert.
1) Maybe Vulcans evolved on a lush tropical world, and then global
warming took its toll. Now, they struggle to adapt.
2) Maybe Vulcan (the world) is a dying world, and the environment took
a recent downturn, for natural reasons. [Dying Sun]
3) Maybe the Vulcan species thrive in desert climates, and are
specifically adapted to the desert areas of the planet VULCAN. Maybe
they only think of the desert regions as "habitable".
4) Maybe both Vulcans and Romulans evolved elsewhere, and are a nomadic
species that is scattered on many various planets, for various reasons.
With varying results...
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Author: ToolPackinMamaToolPackinMama Date: Dec 12, 2006 19:37
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Benjamin Pavsner wrote:
>
>> So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
>> Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the
>> backstories a wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced
>> civilization like the Vulcans could develope on a planet sized DESERT!
>> That's the whole discussion with Mars right now: we can't discuss life
>> there until we can find evidence that water was there. That's
>> essential. Can't have so much as a blade of grass, much less a complex
>> humanoid organism like a Vulcan.
>
> OK, maybe ~all~ of Vulcan is not a desert.
>
> 1) Maybe Vulcans evolved on a lush tropical world, and then global
> warming took its toll. Now, they struggle to adapt.
>
> 2) Maybe Vulcan (the world) is a dying world, and the environment took
> a recent downturn, for natural reasons. [Dying Sun]
> ...
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Author: ToolPackinMamaToolPackinMama Date: Dec 12, 2006 19:47
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Did you never think that maybe Vulcans were not native to the planet
> "VULCAN"?
OK, lemmee ask you this: what's the Vulcan word for the planet "Vulcan"?
What's the Vulcan word for the Vulcan race?
Are you aware that the word "Vulcan" is a Terran word? Vulcan is what
Terrans named them, but what is their own name for themselves?
They probably just called themselves their own equivalent of "The
People" before they met Terrans, right? And the Vulcan word for
"Vulcan" was probably their own word for "home" or "the ground".
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Author: David JohnstonDavid Johnston Date: Dec 13, 2006 00:25
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:25 -0500, ToolPackinMama
lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>Benjamin Pavsner wrote:
>
>> So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
>> Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the backstories a
>> wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced civilization like
>> the Vulcans could develope on a planet sized DESERT! That's the whole
>> discussion with Mars right now: we can't discuss life there until we can
>> find evidence that water was there. That's essential. Can't have so much as
>> a blade of grass, much less a complex humanoid organism like a Vulcan.
>
>OK, maybe ~all~ of Vulcan is not a desert.
That should be the automatic assumption. Planets are real big and
have a substantial temperature range. While presumably Vulcan's large
bodies of water don't cover all that much of the planet, perhaps only
10 or 20%%, without them there wouldn't be enough plantlife to maintain
an oxygen atmosphere.
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Author: ToolPackinMamaToolPackinMama Date: Dec 13, 2006 01:17
David Johnston wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:25 -0500, ToolPackinMama
> lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
> >> Benjamin Pavsner wrote:
>>
>>> So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
>>> Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the backstories a
>>> wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced civilization like
>>> the Vulcans could develope on a planet sized DESERT! That's the whole
>>> discussion with Mars right now: we can't discuss life there until we can
>>> find evidence that water was there. That's essential. Can't have so much as
>>> a blade of grass, much less a complex humanoid organism like a Vulcan.
>> OK, maybe ~all~ of Vulcan is not a desert.
> That should be the automatic assumption. Planets are real big and
> have a substantial temperature range. While presumably Vulcan's large
> bodies of water don't cover all that much of the planet, perhaps only
> 10 or 20%%, without them there wouldn't be enough plantlife to maintain
> an oxygen atmosphere.
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