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Author: Benjamin Pavsner
Date: Dec 12, 2006 18:22

1. I'm not saying the current version of CR is like the book, but the
story's far closer than, say, "Man with the Golden Gun" was, where the only
simularities is the characters (Bond, M, Scaramonga) had the same name. In
the book, Bond even tries killing M in the beginning, which I'm sure would
NEVER wash in the movie. Stories aside, and not to mention ironically, with
all the critizism Craig took for not having dark enough features, his
portrayal of Bond is probably the closest to the books of the six who've
played 007.

2. How would I reboot Trek? I'd probably do what they did with Superman back
in the mid 80s: the surface stuff stayed the same. Supes has the same basic
abilities. Kent still works at the Daily Planet with Lois Lane and Perry
White. Lex Luthor still the big bad. But it was the details that differed:
Supes wasn't as powerful as he was. Lex's public persona wasn't as a
villian, but Metropolis' great benifactor (despite certain people knowing
what a scumbag he really was). Even the Ma and Pa Kent were still alive.

So, where does this leave Trek? Keep the core races from TOS: Humans,
Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans (for a start). Maybe change the backstories a
wee bit. For example, I never understood how an advanced civilization like
the Vulcans could develope on a planet sized DESERT! That's the whole
discussion with Mars right now: we can't discuss life there until we can
find evidence that water was there. That's essential. Can't have so much as
a blade of grass, much less a complex humanoid organism like a Vulcan.
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> Kevin wrote:
>
>> Casino Royale starred such luminaries as Peter Sellers, David Niven and
>> Woody Allen. It was a total parody of the novel. The James Bond movies
>> in
>> general bore very little resemblence to the novels by Ian Fleming. The
>> Bond
>> of the novels was a professional killer, the best in the world, who had
>> no
>> problem killing women, if required. He was not a nice person. He was a
>> product of the British Intelligence agencies of WWII. Remember that
>> these
>> books were written in the fifties and early sixties.
>
> As an aside:
>
> There is also yet-another-version of Casino Royale performed twice in
> the late 1950's as a live teleplay on CBS (I believe only one
> performance of this survives as a recording). This time, Bond is
> American and CIA but it follow the novel better than the pig's ear of a
> parody film.
>
> You make a good point about the Bond films differing from their source
> material. The closest any film portrayal has come to Flemming's
> original character is probably "On her Majesty's Secret Service", and
> even that's pretty tenuous.
>
> Here's a hypothetical: What if the new Casino Royale was done as a
> Cold War period film instead of a contemporary thriller? It would be a
> proper reboot, with a setting and characters that suited the times.
> While die-hard Bond fans would be pleased as punch you can bet the
> casual consumer would be bored to tears wondering when Bond is going to
> pull out a gadget or the baddies are going to steal some WMD's. When
> it comes down to being faithful to the source material versus the
> money, the money will win every time ( or at least that's what
> Hollywood thinks, and I personally think they underestimate the
> intelligence of their audience).
>
> So let's turn this around to Star Trek again. What kind of 'reboot'
> would people prefer? One that remains faithful to TOS but makes some
> small updates, or a total wipe of the slate with a fresh new
> perspective and design?
>
> The fan in me would like the former, and that's sort of what we were
> getting in the last Season of Enterprise (and it failed for way too
> many reasons to get into here). The adult realist in me thinks that
> the latter is better for the long term health of the franchise.
> There's a third option that Paramount seems reluctant to consider,
> which is to push onward with another Trek Series set in a later century
> than the TNG era. My feeling is that any series set later would fall
> into the same trap that Enterprise fell into: The writers and designers
> who cut their teeth on TNG-era stuff will get lazy and fall back to old
> habits -- and we end up with mediocre rehashed stories that would have
> been poor episodes of TNG or Voyager.
>
> One last point... at the time ST:TMP was being made, the update to the
> sets of the Enterprise was considered to be a reboot of sorts. They
> intended to show what the inside of the Enterprise *really* looked
> like. Of course, no one expected people to feel nostalagic for the
> original TOS-era set. The first time they slipped and acknowledged
> that the interior design and uniforms looked like they actually did in
> TOS was "Relics" -- and that was pure fan service.
>
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