>MrSpook wrote:

>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:59:19 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
>> knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>>

>>> MrSpook wrote:

>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:16:01 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
>>>> knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> MrSpook wrote:

>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:47:10 -0400, Rocinante
>>>>>> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:09:54 -0400, MrSpook wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:30:43 -0400, Rocinante
>>>>>>>> gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> How do you plant demolition charges and trigger wires in
>>>>>>> buildings that are always occupied?

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do it at night when no one's around.

>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever worked in an infrastructure role in a similar
>>>>> building? I have. I've engineered in major City Of London office
>>>>> buildings. If you had any knowledge, you'd know there isn't a time
>>>>> when "there's no-one around". You'd know there are engineers, and
>>>>> security guards, and cleaners, and people working odd hours, and...
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, you wouldn't know any of that, I guess, because you're an
>>>>> internet conspiracy researcher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh wait, let me guess. The landlord's engineers, the tenants'
>>>>> engineers, the lift engineers, the cleaners and all the security
>>>>> guards were in on it, right? Big conspiracy this.
>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> How do you get to the beams and cut them in order to plant
>>>>>>> the charges without anyone noticing?

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You shuffle tenants around to different areas of the building
>>>>>> and bring in "construction" crews to make various unspecified,
>>>>>> "upgrades" and "power downs".

>>>>>
>>>>> Which landlords' engineers would know about. You have no idea of
>>>>> the level of access needed to plant your million tonnes of
>>>>> thermite, have you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there's no record of any of these upgrades and power downs,
>>>>> which would have had to cover the entire building. Nor anyone
>>>>> reporting strange works around the central core. Engineers are in
>>>>> and out of risers and voids all day, Spook. And nobody saw
>>>>> anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I forgot, they were all in on it, yes? The engineers, the
>>>>> building managers, the tenants' building managers...
>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> For that matter, how do you get a team
>>>>>>> of people to follow such gruesome orders in civilian buildings
>>>>>>> that are not deserted? "Oh, just ignore the civilians and do
>>>>>>> your job"
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You hire like-minded individuals or stooges to work for you.
>>>>>> Kinda like the mafia does.

>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. This is just soooooo credible. Swarms of mysterious
>>>>> contractors, great truckloads of thermite and explosives coming
>>>>> through the loading bay and nobody sees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, they arrived by helicopter, no doubt.
>>>>>

>>>>>>> Here is the kicker: what do you think happens to explosives and
>>>>>>> trigger wires when they are subjected to the high heat of the
>>>>>>> fires?

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If most of them happen to be self-contained, wirelessly
>>>>>> controlled devices, you don't have to worry about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The trigger
>>>>>>> wires melt and the explosives are rendered useless or explode out
>>>>>>> of sequence. There goes your controlled demolition. And that is
>>>>>>> exactly why it needs to be controlled in a predictable
>>>>>>> environment.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe you have reviewed much, if any, of the
>>>>>> available evidence.

>>>>>
>>>>> Neither have you. You've just read websites that support your
>>>>> belief system.
>>>>>
>>>>> See, the problem here is, conspiracy researchers aren't real
>>>>> researchers. They don't do original research. They try to "glean"
>>>>> from published sources. It's a kind of secular midrash.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they don't actually interview people, they read what has been
>>>>> published and try to read into that what they want, like the absurd
>>>>> idea that Mr. Silverstein, party to the greatest mass murder
>>>>> conspiracy in modern history, ordered the New York Fire Department,
>>>>> also parties to the greatest mass murder conspiracy in modern
>>>>> history, to blow up building 7. And then he went and talked about
>>>>> it in an interview. Yeah.
>>>>>
>>>>> I argued with somebody about all this a while back, so I've read
>>>>> all the "research", I hope you'll accept my apologies if I'm a tad
>>>>> rusty now though. But one of my favourites was a strange
>>>>> calculation, a well known one, that tried to calculate how much
>>>>> energy was needed to powder the concrete. The strange thing was,
>>>>> it is all in kilowatt-hours, a very strange unit to use. What's
>>>>> wrong with joules, which a scientist or engineer would use?
>>>>> Kilowatt hours?
>>>>>
>>>>> A little Googling revealed all. Our intrepid researcher had got his
>>>>> figures from the only thing he could find on the internet-- the
>>>>> specs for a commercial concrete crushing machine whose power
>>>>> requirements are stated on the data, of course, in kilowatts and
>>>>> kilowatt hours, as its electrical input requirements, and whose
>>>>> power consumption bears no relation to materials being pulverised
>>>>> in a building collapse. Fuckwad hadn't even the brains to convert
>>>>> kilowatts to joules (1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second, physics fans!)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the standard of "research" you're quoting, Spook. Saddies
>>>>> poking around the internet and staring at jpegs for clues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some terrorists hijacked planes in an audacious plan and succeeded
>>>>> beyond their wildest dreams. That's it. Now move on, and get on
>>>>> with your life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've already proven yourself to be a self-confessed hater
>>>> and an habitual liar.
>>>>
>>>> Your opinions are not only highly suspect, and not to be
>>>> believed by anyone of average intelligence, but anyone of even a
>>>> small degree of above average intelligence can easily discern the
>>>> disinformation, lies, and distortions in your reply above.
>>>>
>>>> Millions of people are becoming more informed every day,
>>>> regardless of your simple minded insults, obsfucations, and denial.
>>>>
>>>> Sucks to be you, doesn't it? :)

>>>
>>> You actually have no capacity even for discussing your beliefs have
>>> you? Do you actually understand any of the bilge you post?
>>>
>>> Disinformation, lies and distortion? Am *I* in on the conspiracy
>>> too? Okay, I admit it, I am. In fact, we conspiracy members were
>>> going to have a RL meetup, but we couldn't find a stadium big enough
>>> to hold us all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>

>>
>>
>> You seem to have a voyeuristic, prurient obsession with me.

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>That's a nice shirt you're wearing.
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