> Fat Sam wrote:

>> Jaxtraw wrote:

>>> Fat Sam wrote:

>>>> Jaxtraw wrote:

>>>>> Al Smith wrote:

>>>>>>> There's no reason to think 20 year old women are "dumb", or that
>>>>>>> 40+ women are "smart". Maybe more experienced, perhaps. But
>>>>>>> intelligence doesn't improve with age. You're just insulting
>>>>>>> younger women.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are incorrect. Age provides a wisdom that cannot be obtained
>>>>>> in any other way. The young are incapable of perceiving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Al-

>>>>>
>>>>> Intelligence does not equal wisdom.
>>>>>
>>>>> And do we really need to improve our self esteem by declaring
>>>>> entire other sections of the population "dumb"?

>>>>
>>>> Or indeed by declaring entire sections of the population "ugly"?
>>>> I believe you did exactly this by pidgeon-holing all older ladies
>>>> as "toothless crones"

>>>
>>> Hmm. I wasn't attacking old women, or old people in general, and
>>> "toothless crone" was quite obviously a literary device, just
>>> hyperbole. Nobody uses the term "crone" in any other than an ironic
>>> fashion these days, surely?
>>>
>>> Y'see, the truth here is that old people are visually unappealing.

>>
>> I'm sorry, but I must continue to disagree with you.
>> You are merely quoting your opinion.
>> Just because you find them visually unappealing, does not mean that
>> everyone feels that way.
>> There are just as many people around who find older women more
>> attractive than younger ones.
>>

>>> Have you ever seen any granny porn? If so, would you not agree that
>>> if anyone actually gets aroused by it, they must be pretty weird?

>>
>> It's very existence disproves your theory.
>> Go to your local newsagents and look on the top shelf. There's quite
>> a surprisingly large number of titles devoted to over 40's, over 50's
>> and even over 60's.
>> If a signifigantly large enough proportion of the population didn't
>> find older women attractive, then those magazines simply wouldn't
>> exist. It's market forces working at it's most basic level. The
>> product exists simply because there is a demand for it.
>>
>> If people didn't find them attractive, we wouldn't have the terms
>> "yummy mummy", "milf" and indeed even "gilf".
>>

>>> But they're not beautiful.

>>
>> That's only your opinion.
>> Granted, you're entitled to it, but don't assume it's shared by
>> everyone.
>>

>>> Let's not abolish beauty for the sake of ideology. It's one of the
>>> joys of the world.

>>
>> It exists wherever you find it.
>> Not everyone finds it in the same place.
>> Why do you struggle so much with that simple concept?

>
> Okay, I give up. We'll all ignore the millions of images of beautiful
> young women, from antiquity up to the present day, the girls in
> Playboy, the girls on billboards, the millions of men lusting after
> younger women, the middle aged women complaining that they can't find
> a man because the men are all looking for someone younger, the beauty
> competitions, the ageing women flocking to plastic surgeons in the
> hope of looking younger, the cosmetics and snake oil, the sheer
> billions of person-hours of *everyday experience*, it's all wrong, it
> doesn't exist, young women aren't pretty at all, it's all made up.
> It's all a lie made up by EXXON and Bush, they blew up the Twin
> Towers you know.
>
> Happy now?
>
> Ian