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Group: alt.startrek · Group Profile
Author: Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Date: May 22, 2008 15:57

Anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article news.evilcabal.org>,
> "Wickeddoll®" yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" ..
>>> Forge wrote:
>>>>>> Either way, that's an inaccurate description of the "Winter" cities.
>>>>> They're suburbs. It's painfully obvious just looking at a map.
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have started that way but that's not uncommon.
>>>> Uh-uh. A "suburb" is an area still governed by that city. Winter Park and
>>>> Winter Haven (which is MILES AND MILES from the edges of Orlando) each
>>>> have their own city council and their own distinct borders. Winter Park
>>>> was founded only a decade or two after Orlando was officially called
>>>> Orlando. And of course, at that time they were MILES apart, but both grew
>>>> until their borders touch in the vicinity of the old Naval Training
>>>> Center (which is now a giganto development of condos and townhomes,
>>>> naturally). Orlando's "suburbs" include Colonialtown and an
>>>> unofficially-declared "Little Saigon" near downtown, College Park to the
>>>> north of downtown, and yeah, Pine Hills to the west. A tick further west
>>>> and you're in Apopka, and that too is a separate municipality. Please
>>>> note that saying something is so, over and over again, does not make it
>>>> so. Thanks.
>>>>
>>> Sorry, but it's not the way the term is used in these precincts. All the
>>> smaller cities around Seattle are considered suburbs by one and all here.
>>> Possibly Bellevue is the exception, since it's grown up into something
>>> like a stand-alone city and has an important business district,
>>> industries, and entertainment resources. But the major role of cities like
>>> Kent, Auburn, Renton, Burien (near where I live in unincorporated King
>>> County), SeaTac, and Tukwila, all south of Seattle proper, is to provide a
>>> place for people to live when they're not working in Seattle.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Frank in Seattle
>> Feh - sounds like a broad term that's being used to describe living out of
>> the congested, dirty, crime-filled main parts of a large city.
>>
>> What people may call it doesn't mean that's what it truly is.
>>
>> People say "irregardless" all the time, which is incorrect, no matter how
>> popular it is. "Ain't" is now in the dictionary, as a nonstandard, because
>> it's such a popular word, but "nonstandard" means it's commonly used.
>> Nowhere does a dictionary say it's the *right* word to use.
>>
>> By dictionary definition, much of the things we say everyday are inaccurate.
>> (I'm guilty of using lazy English myself) The thing is to not *insist* the
>> popular meaning is correct.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> So you're saying it ain't a suburb irregardless of what the Franks says?
>

I am irresistibly reminded of an argument I had on another newsgroup a
year or more ago with a very smug Italiano who informed me that Seattle
was on the ocean. I told him that we were 150 miles (nearly 250 km or
7.8 parsecs) from the Pacific Ocean, that Puget Sound was an inlet of
the ocean, not the ocean itself (different salinity, temperature, tides,
currents, etc.), and that when I worked at the Pike Place Market we
always had a good laugh at the expense of the tourists who would be
looking out over Elliott Bay and asking if that was the ocean. Nothing I
could say either reasonably or angrily could budge him from his idée
fixe. He knew better what the local usage ought to be. So I gave up.

I here and now give up.

--
Frank in Seattle
____

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
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