On 2008-05-21, Wickeddoll®
yahoo.com> wrote:> "Jason Maxwell" ...
>> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>>> "Victor Velazquez" ...
>>>> Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [deletions[
>>>>>
>>>>>> I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure you're getting my
>>>>>> meaning. I was raised in a very gay-positive environment. In fact,
>>>>>> to my surprise, I saw my little-known town listed as one of the 20
>>>>>> most gay-friendly cities in the *world* (Winter Park, Florida). What
>> I
>>>>>> mean is that nobody I grew up with obsessed over sexual
>>>>>> orientation. We knew who was gay, but it didn't impact our
>>>>>> interaction with them, which is amazing for the 50s and 60s in a
>>>>>> southern town. I didn't experience homophobia until I went out on
>>>>>> my own, to other states. So when I heard about Takei, in retrospect,
>> it
>>>>>> made sense (never saw
>>>>>> him with a female escort, etc.), but I wouldn't have given it a
>>>>>> thought, had he not come out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am amazed to read about your experience of Winter Park, especially
>>>>> given that homosexuality was illegal in all 50 states (afaik) until
>>>>> the late 60s to mid-70s. In any case, you were a lucky person to
>>>>> escape that particular social prejudice.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't Winter Park where the circus used to, well, winter? Perhaps that
>>>> explains their unusual level of tolerance for the time?
>>>>
>>> I don't think so - I think that's Winter Garden or Winter Haven, also
>>> Florida cities. I honestly don't know why it's so gay-friendly, but it
>> was
>>> back then, and as far as I know, still is.
>>>
>> Winter Garden and Winter Park are both Orlando suburbs about 10-12 miles
>> from each other so there may be some overlap between them.
>>
>> Winter Haven is midway between Orlando and Tampa.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
> You may have the mileage right, but you are *dead wrong* about their being
> "suburbs" of freaking Orlando. They are *separate cities!* Pine Hills (aka
> "Crime Hills" is a suburb, as are many other divisions, but none of the
> "Winter" cities is part of Orlando.
...no, suburbs are "separate cities". They always have been. That's
rather been the point. You escape the festering city center by going
somewhere just outside of town that has it's own government and it's own
school system.
If it's not a "separate city" then it's not really a suburb.
>
> We're very sensitive about that, sorry.
>
> Natalie
>
>
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