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Author: Anim8rFSK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 15:20

We discussed this just about a month ago. I said I'd ask Franz Joseph's
daughter if she had any insights for us:

**begin quote**

Yes, I think my dad may have invented the "Constitution class"
reference. He said that all naval ships had a "class" ship that was
usually the first one made in the line. I think he may have selected the
Constitution because it had the lowest NCC-number of those listed in
some book somewhere (maybe "Making of STAR TREK" ?)

**end quote**

Not definitive, perhaps, but interesting. And pretty much supports what
Gene K. thought happened.

--
Multiple root canals; hopped up on multiple pain drugs.

It's an explanation, not an excuse!
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: Steven L.
Date: Sep 1, 2008 16:10

Anim8rFSK wrote:
> We discussed this just about a month ago. I said I'd ask Franz Joseph's
> daughter if she had any insights for us:
>
> **begin quote**
>
> Yes, I think my dad may have invented the "Constitution class"
> reference. He said that all naval ships had a "class" ship that was
> usually the first one made in the line. I think he may have selected the
> Constitution because it had the lowest NCC-number of those listed in
> some book somewhere (maybe "Making of STAR TREK" ?)

The Whitfield book only listed the names of the starships, not their
NCC-numbers. I remember "Kongo" was one of the names, even though that
starship never appeared in any TOS episode.

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Steven L.
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Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: GeneK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 16:44

"Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote...
> We discussed this just about a month ago. I said I'd ask Franz Joseph's
> daughter if she had any insights for us:
>
> **begin quote**
>
> Yes, I think my dad may have invented the "Constitution class"
> reference. He said that all naval ships had a "class" ship that was
> usually the first one made in the line. I think he may have selected the
> Constitution because it had the lowest NCC-number of those listed in
> some book somewhere (maybe "Making of STAR TREK" ?)
>
> **end quote**
>
> Not definitive, perhaps, but interesting. And pretty much supports what
> Gene K. thought happened.
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: Anim8rFSK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 16:57

In article <8eWdnanfaczP6yHVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> We discussed this just about a month ago. I said I'd ask Franz Joseph's
>> daughter if she had any insights for us:
>>
>> **begin quote**
>>
>> Yes, I think my dad may have invented the "Constitution class"
>> reference. He said that all naval ships had a "class" ship that was
>> usually the first one made in the line. I think he may have selected the
>> Constitution because it had the lowest NCC-number of those listed in
>> some book somewhere (maybe "Making of STAR TREK" ?)
>
> The Whitfield book only listed the names of the starships, not their
> NCC-numbers. I remember "Kongo" was one of the names, even though that
> starship never appeared in any TOS episode.

Yes; I suspect she's actually remembering the wall chart in
"Court-Martial"
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: GeneK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 18:15

"Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote...
> Yes; I suspect she's actually remembering the wall chart in
> "Court-Martial"

Which, IIRC, had NCC numbers but no ship names...

GeneK
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: Anim8rFSK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 18:49

In article ,
"GeneK" genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote...
>> Yes; I suspect she's actually remembering the wall chart in
>> "Court-Martial"
>
> Which, IIRC, had NCC numbers but no ship names...
>
> GeneK

I . . . don't think URC. Doesn't it have the Constitution as 1700?

--
Multiple root canals; hopped up on multiple pain drugs.

It's an explanation, not an excuse!
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: GeneK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 21:28

"Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote
> I . . . don't think URC. Doesn't it have the Constitution as 1700?
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: Anim8rFSK
Date: Sep 1, 2008 22:11

In article <3i3vk.12255$3A4.5846@newsfe04.iad>,
"GeneK" genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote
>> I . . . don't think URC. Doesn't it have the Constitution as 1700?

Huh. Weird.

And they have 10 starships laid up at once? At the same place??

--
Multiple root canals; hopped up on multiple pain drugs.

It's an explanation, not an excuse!
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: GeneK
Date: Sep 2, 2008 08:51

"Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote...
> And they have 10 starships laid up at once? At the same place??

If the chart bars indicate "completeness" of work
in progress, that would be what it means. OTOH,
NCC-1701's bar on that chart is at over 80%% and
they seem to have just gotten there, which leads
me to speculate that "completeness" may actually
be some sort of indicator of fleet condition that is
based on status reports coming in from ships in
the field, or maybe they're even building new star-
ships there. TOS is wonderfully vague on most
details like that.

GeneK
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Re: "Constitution Class" origins - was RE: Darker Tone in New Trek         


Author: Anim8rFSK
Date: Sep 2, 2008 13:31

In article newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
"GeneK" genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" cox.net> wrote...
>> And they have 10 starships laid up at once? At the same place??
>
> If the chart bars indicate "completeness" of work
> in progress, that would be what it means. OTOH,
> NCC-1701's bar on that chart is at over 80%% and
> they seem to have just gotten there, which leads
> me to speculate that "completeness" may actually
> be some sort of indicator of fleet condition that is
> based on status reports coming in from ships in
> the field, or maybe they're even building new star-
> ships there. TOS is wonderfully vague on most
> details like that.
>
> GeneK

It's a little hard to make a case for 'field reports' because then there
should be at least 12 ships. Maybe 13. :)
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