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Author: Steven L.Steven L. Date: Apr 14, 2008 21:21
"As reported by Screen Rant, the script for the new Star Trek movie was
written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. It was fortunate that he liked the
script, as he is said to be pivotal to the story and had he not liked
it, there would have been a problem.
"The same could not be said of William Shatner's absence. Nimoy, who was
at Grand Slam XVI, said that it would have been damaging to the Star
Trek XI story to have put Shatner in the movie.
"Nimoy claimed that Star Trek XI is a gigantic movie, the largest on
which he has ever worked. He also said that Paramount is losing money on
it now but they feel that it will be a summer blockbuster. The budget on
the film is said to be below two hundred million dollars."
http://www.trektoday.com/news/140408_04.shtml
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Author: GeneKGeneK Date: Apr 15, 2008 09:07
"Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote...> "As reported by Screen Rant, the script for the new Star Trek movie
> was written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. It was fortunate that he liked
> the script, as he is said to be pivotal to the story and had he not
> liked it, there would have been a problem.
I don't find this encouraging, as it implies that XI has a
heavily Spock-centered plot. I could live with a trek film
that doesn't have either Shatner or Nimoy in it, but the
central character of TOS is Kirk, not Spock. Reversing
it would be like making "Robin and Batman."
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Author: Steven L.Steven L. Date: Apr 15, 2008 10:36
GeneK wrote:
> "Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote...>> "As reported by Screen Rant, the script for the new Star Trek movie
>> was written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. It was fortunate that he liked
>> the script, as he is said to be pivotal to the story and had he not
>> liked it, there would have been a problem.
>
> I don't find this encouraging, as it implies that XI has a
> heavily Spock-centered plot. I could live with a trek film
> that doesn't have either Shatner or Nimoy in it, but the
> central character of TOS is Kirk, not Spock.
In the time period of much of Trek XI, the central character can't be
Kirk, because the NCC-1701 hasn't even been built yet! He's still what,
an Academy cadet who cheats on the Kobayashi Maru test and loses his
virginity with Carol Marcus? How would that make for a two-hour summer
blockbuster movie? Where's the vast scope and visual FX if all we're
going to see is Kirk growing up on a farm in Iowa and studying for his
exams at the Academy?
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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Apr 15, 2008 10:39
Nobody seemed to have a problem with Kirk playing a central role in
"Generations." Granted, Kirk was technically the "central character" in TOS
(actually, I always felt it was the Enterprise itself, but that's for
later), but TOS has gotten to the point where there was more of
Kirk/McCoy/Spock and then the other characters.
Nimoy was asked to do Generations (the scene on the Enterprise B), but he
felt Spock wasn't developed enough for the movie to do it.
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Author: Benjamin PavsnerBenjamin Pavsner Date: Apr 15, 2008 10:43
Shatner has ALWAYS been difficult to get since the TOS movie franchise was
over. Rumor had it that Berman wanted to bring Shatner in for a story on
"Enterprise" but fell through on pay or scheduling or somesuch. Probably
never got passed the chit chat phase, but...
"Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UPadnf3aMpuysJnVnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...> "As reported by Screen Rant, the script for the new Star Trek movie was
> written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. It was fortunate that he liked the
> script, as he is said to be pivotal to the story and had he not liked it,
> there would have been a problem.
>
> "The same could not be said of William Shatner's absence. Nimoy, who was
> at Grand Slam XVI, said that it would have been damaging to the Star Trek
> XI story to have put Shatner in the movie.
>
> "Nimoy claimed that Star Trek XI is a gigantic movie, the largest on which
> he has ever worked. He also said that Paramount is losing money on it now
> but they feel that it will be a summer blockbuster. The budget on the film
> is said to be below two hundred million dollars."
> ...
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Author: GeneKGeneK Date: Apr 15, 2008 10:49
"Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote...
> In the time period of much of Trek XI, the central character can't be
> Kirk, because the NCC-1701 hasn't even been built yet! He's still
> what, an Academy cadet who cheats on the Kobayashi Maru test and loses
> his virginity with Carol Marcus? How would that make for a two-hour
> summer blockbuster movie? Where's the vast scope and visual FX if all
> we're going to see is Kirk growing up on a farm in Iowa and studying
> for his exams at the Academy?
>
> The reason why the plot is Spock-centered is because Spock's
> scientific skills and knowledge and unique Vulcan heritage help tie
> this movie together somehow. In that regard it seems to bear distinct
> resemblances to TAS "Yesteryear."
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Author: GeneKGeneK Date: Apr 15, 2008 10:51
"Benjamin Pavsner" bellsouth.net> wrote...> TOS has gotten to the point where there was more of Kirk/McCoy/Spock
> and then the other characters.
TOS didn't "get to" that point; it *started* there.
GeneK
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Author: JaxtrawJaxtraw Date: Apr 15, 2008 13:16
Steven L. wrote:
> GeneK wrote:
>> "Steven L." earthlink.net> wrote...>>> "As reported by Screen Rant, the script for the new Star Trek movie
>>> was written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. It was fortunate that he
>>> liked the script, as he is said to be pivotal to the story and had
>>> he not liked it, there would have been a problem.
>>
>> I don't find this encouraging, as it implies that XI has a
>> heavily Spock-centered plot. I could live with a trek film
>> that doesn't have either Shatner or Nimoy in it, but the
>> central character of TOS is Kirk, not Spock.
>
> In the time period of much of Trek XI, the central character can't be
> Kirk, because the NCC-1701 hasn't even been built yet! He's still
> what, an Academy cadet who cheats on the Kobayashi Maru test and
> loses...
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Author: George PeattyGeorge Peatty Date: Apr 15, 2008 14:05
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:51:47 -0700, "GeneK" genek_hates_spammers.com>
wrote:
>TOS didn't "get to" that point; it *started* there.
I don't agree. The chemistry between the Big 3 evolved over time. McCoy
wasn't even in WNMHGB, and didn't make star billing until Season Two.
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Author: George PeattyGeorge Peatty Date: Apr 15, 2008 14:07
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:49:52 -0700, "GeneK" genek_hates_spammers.com>
wrote:
>If true, that'll probably be the fatal flaw in the film for me.
>I couldn't care less about Kirk's growing up in Iowa and
>attending the Academy years, Pike's tours as captain,
>etc. Star Trek doesn't begin to become interesting to
>me until the day Kirk takes command of the big E, and
>it already stopped being interesting the day he turned it
>over to someone else.
I see your point, and shared the view for some time, but some of the other
crews, particularly the TNG group, won me over.
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