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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: SkippyPB
Date: Jan 2, 2008 07:41

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:01:48 -0800, "Terraholm"
hotmail.com> wrote:
>hey...
>
>http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1199007139291621...
>
>Q: Your Pistons have not allowed a team to score 20 or more points (in a
>quarter) in five of the past six games and your team has outscored opponents
>in 13 of the last 16 third quarters. What is your theory on the Pistons'
>third-quarter surges?
>
>A: Because we don't want it to be close enough for the refs to try to call
>some crazy stuff in that fourth," Wallace said to the media. "We've got to
>go out there in the third quarter, no matter if it's the first part of the
>third or the middle, we've got to try to open up at least a 10-point lead."
>

That's as good a reason as any :)

Like I always say, whatever floats your boat.
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: jslater
Date: Jan 2, 2008 08:59

On Jan 2, 10:41 am, SkippyPB nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:01:48 -0800, "Terraholm"
>
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>hey...
>
>
>>Q: Your Pistons have not allowed a team to score 20 or more points (in a
>>quarter) in five of the past six games and your team has outscored opponents
>>in 13 of the last 16 third quarters. What is your theory on the Pistons'
>>third-quarter surges?
>
>>A: Because we don't want it to be close enough for the refs to try to call
>>some crazy stuff in that fourth," Wallace said to the media. "We've got to
>>go out there in the third quarter, no matter if it's the first part of the
>>third or the middle, we've got to try to open up at least a 10-point lead."
>
> That's as good a reason as any :)
> ...
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: slider
Date: Jan 2, 2008 09:58

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:59:23 -0800 (PST), jslater@utnet.utoledo.edu
wrote:
>On Jan 2, 10:41 am, SkippyPB nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:01:48 -0800, "Terraholm"
>>
>> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>hey...
>>
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Terraholm
Date: Jan 2, 2008 12:38

slider@keyboard.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:59:23 -0800 (PST), jslater@utnet.utoledo.edu
>>
>> Also, refs have traditionally been rather quick on the trigger to T
>> 'Sheed up sometimes. But let's face it, he does, um, respond a lot
>> to calls against him.
>
> With the emphasis on quick. It's ridiculous that players can't show
> emotion. They're not robots. Sheed get's penalized for being an
> emotional guy.

'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his fault
too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like he did in his 'heyday's,
and now they are often rescinded. I was surprised they refused to rescind
the 'bonzi bump' T...

--
Laurel T
'Sheed was arguing a call... announcer Mike Barrett
asked 'who got a T earlier?' and was told Mo Cheeks:
"It's OK then, 'Sheed has one to give"...
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Grey Matters
Date: Jan 2, 2008 13:26

"Terraholm" hotmail.com> wrote
> 'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his fault
> too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like he did in his
> 'heyday's, and now they are often rescinded. I was surprised they
> refused to rescind the 'bonzi bump' T...

Got a sense about whether he gets more basic fouls due to his reputation?
He seems to feel that's how it works, but I figure you might have some
numbers here. I'd hope that the NBA would start providing more detailed
stats on refs, the fouls they called, on which players and when after the
Donaghy scandal, but I think Stern has his head buried with regard to the
refs. Even if they're not corrupt, the moodiness and shaky consistency is
a big problem.
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: slider
Date: Jan 2, 2008 14:56

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:38:04 -0800, "Terraholm"
hotmail.com> wrote:
>slider@keyboard.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:59:23 -0800 (PST), jslater@utnet.utoledo.edu
>
>>>
>>> Also, refs have traditionally been rather quick on the trigger to T
>>> 'Sheed up sometimes. But let's face it, he does, um, respond a lot
>>> to calls against him.
>>
>> With the emphasis on quick. It's ridiculous that players can't show
>> emotion. They're not robots. Sheed get's penalized for being an
>> emotional guy.
>
>'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his fault
>too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like he did in his 'heyday's,
>and now they are often rescinded. I was surprised they refused to rescind
>the 'bonzi bump' T...
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Terraholm
Date: Jan 2, 2008 16:26

Grey Matters wrote:
> "Terraholm" hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> 'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his fault
>> too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like he did in his
>> 'heyday's, and now they are often rescinded. I was surprised they
>> refused to rescind the 'bonzi bump' T...
>
> Got a sense about whether he gets more basic fouls due to his
> reputation? He seems to feel that's how it works, but I figure you
> might have some numbers here.

I kept track a couple of years after hus "record". It was about 1/3 at that
time I thought I could label them as Ts that likely would not have been
given to another player. The next year he cleaned up the act and IIRC had 11
or 12 for the season.
Other times he deserved Ts and did not get them.
Some times it is hard to tell, he may have been warned and what seems a
bogus T may have been a 'last straw' that game.
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Terraholm
Date: Jan 2, 2008 16:33

Terraholm wrote:
> Grey Matters wrote:
>
>
> I will post an old article on the refs that I think shows a lot of
> their side in a seperate post.
>

Do not have a link...

Joey Crawford, Nolan Fine and Violet Palmer have commandeered a corner of
the bar for a late-night
meal in a Sea-Tac hotel lobby lounge. They've got one eye on their plates of
food, one eye on the TV
screen above their heads, one ear on their conversation and one ear saved
for their cell phones.
When you're a referee, you're used to having your senses working in
different directions.
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Terraholm
Date: Jan 2, 2008 16:37

slider@keyboard.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:38:04 -0800, "Terraholm"
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> slider@keyboard.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:59:23 -0800 (PST), jslater@utnet.utoledo.edu
>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, refs have traditionally been rather quick on the trigger to T
>>>> 'Sheed up sometimes. But let's face it, he does, um, respond a lot
>>>> to calls against him.
>>>
>>> With the emphasis on quick. It's ridiculous that players can't show
>>> emotion. They're not robots. Sheed get's penalized for being an
>>> emotional guy.
>>
>> 'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his fault
>> too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like he did in his
>> 'heyday's, and now they are often rescinded. I was surprised they
>> refused to rescind the 'bonzi bump' T... ...
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Re: One question for 'Sheed         


Author: Grey Matters
Date: Jan 3, 2008 17:25

"Terraholm" hotmail.com> wrote in
news:5u2odnF1fkbfmU1@mid.individual.net:
> Grey Matters wrote:
>> "Terraholm" hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> 'Sheed trained the refs, not the other way around. They are his
>>> fault too...He does not get as many reputation Ts like...
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