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Author: JustTomJustTom
Date: Jan 17, 2007 08:53
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:09:13 -0500, "David Short"
Wright.spam.Edu.please> wrote:
>"JustTom" wrote in message
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:42:34 -0500, "David Short"
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>> Or I guess the first question would be "do the rules allow him to be
>> traded this soon after signing?".
>I don't think it's a rules thing. I think it's a curtesy thing. If you keep
>Kyle Lohse from free agency by offering him arbitration and then he signs a
>deal with you, and then you turn around and trade him crowing that the deal
>was based on the undervalued contract...well, players are going to start
>taking you to arbitration regularly after that.
>
Bronson Arroyo says "hi".
He was screwed a lot worse than that for his loyalty, and yet, he'd
run back to Theo in a heartbeat.
You don't have to crow about the value of the contract, you simply
make the deal.
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Author: JustTomJustTom
Date: Jan 17, 2007 08:43
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:07:26 -0500, Kevin McClave
SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:03:19 GMT, tom@nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
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>>My earlier 3 year/$22M deal doesn't make as much sense teamswise if
>>two are bound years anyway. Or maybe it does, as I've just read that
>>Zambrano asked for $15.5M in his walk year. That will be an
>>interesting case to watch. I'd think Willis would be one of
>>Zambrano's closest comps, yet Willis just settled for little more than
>>half of what the cubs were offering, and almost $9M less than he asked
>>for.
>
>Where is Willis in the arbitration/free agency cycle?
I'm pretty sure this is his 2nd year. If memory serves, he signed a
deal last year for about $4.5M which I think may have been a record
(My what a difference a year makes!)
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Author: David ShortDavid Short
Date: Jan 17, 2007 08:31
"Kevin McClave" SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in>>I agree and understand the let the HOFer gracefully exit, but the
>>deference is too great if it harms the team.
>
> They can make it look like it was his own idea all they want. What they
> cannot do is let him actually decide.
>
> This is one of the things that pisses me off about Narron and why I
> consider him a faux hardass. This is a situation where a real tough guy
> would put his foot down. Narron only plays a tough guy on TV.
>
> It also sends the message that Narron's mantra "playing the game the
> right way" doesn't include sound defense.
Let's wait till the end of April, before we worry too much about that.
Playing time for Tony Womack made the internet a busy place for reds fans
during last off season, but somehow when it came down to it, he didn't see
many plate appearances.
dfs
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Author: David ShortDavid Short
Date: Jan 17, 2007 08:27
"Kevin McClave" SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:34:34 GMT, tom@nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
>>And Griffey said:
>>
>>"Before moving, Griffey wants to be certain somebody better can play
>>center field, the position Griffey has played since signing his first
>>major-league contract in 1987."
>>
>>So then Narron said, if ST started today, JR would be in center.
>>What's up with that?
>
> What a bunch of fucking nonsense. Tell him he's moving and be done with
> it. Griffey doesn't need to be sure of anything. He just needs to move.
I think this is winter-sell-paper happy talk. The message I recieved as a
fan is that the front office is aware of Junior's problems in centerfield
and has approached him about moving. They've cloaked the move as trying to
keep his bat in the lineup.
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Author: JustTomJustTom
Date: Jan 17, 2007 07:52
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:36:11 GMT, "hitking73"
earthlink.net> wrote:
>I agree that this would be good news and is a move that is long overdue.
>
>However, we need to temper our hope by understanding what Hal McCoy has
>reported;
>
>McCoy: "The unexpected news is that...
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Author: David ShortDavid Short
Date: Jan 17, 2007 06:12
In today's ddn, Hal McCoy reveals that Jerry Narron has already told junior
that he will be in right field come spring training.
That's absolutely spectacular news. Just great. It means the reds front
office is paying attention to what is going on and not just looking for gate
receipts. I'm really thrilled.
Junior was not a quality centerfielder and while he was out in center the
notion that this team was going to play good defense was a fantasy.
Sign Lohse to a long term contract and the off season is a solid B for
Krivsky.
dfs
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Author: JustTomJustTom
Date: Jan 17, 2007 05:03
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:46:39 -0500, Kevin McClave
twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:16:57 GMT, tom@nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:42:34 -0500, "David Short"
>> Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:
>>>>>"JustTom"
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Author: JustTomJustTom
Date: Jan 17, 2007 04:16
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:42:34 -0500, "David Short"
Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:
>"JustTom" wrote in message
>> In that D. Willis signed a one year deal w/Marlins for $6.45M which
>> seems like quite the bargain.
>>
>> To me, hat should provide a measuring stick for both of our remaining
>> arb-eligible pitchers.
>>
>> I see that Lohse signed a one year deal today but no figures were
>> given. I'm curious to see if it's in the $4.5M range, which is what
>> we guessed at an arbitration figure before the crazy FA agent
>> inflation.
>
>I've still not seen numbers for Lohse. I believe last year's salary was in
>the neighborhood of 4.5 million. I'm sure he didn't sign a contract for less
>than that.
>
No, he made just under $4M last year.
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Author: Kevin McClaveKevin McClave
Date: Jan 16, 2007 06:05
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:33:52 -0500, Kevin McClave
twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>I haven't seen it posted here, but the Reds and David Ross avoided
>arbitration on Monday when they agreed to a two year deal.
The AP has it at $1.6 million this year, $2,525,000 in 2008. There is a
third year team option for $3.5 million with a $375,000 buyout.
>They have also signed Paul Wilson to a minor league contract.
Goes without saying, but of course there is a major league camp invite
included.
The Reds have only Lohse and Harang still arbitration eligible. Teams
and players have until noon today to exchange figures.
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Kevin McClave
"Don't be sorry that it's over. Be happy
that it happened." ~Tiki Barber
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