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Author: AndrewAndrew Date: Jun 14, 2008 16:18
OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
, section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? The game
was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied after blowing
the save. He never came back into the game. Why doesn't Hansen get the
win? Because the Red Sox were winning when Hansen started the bottom of the
10th and therefore wasn't actually in the game when the Red Sox took the
lead, but technically Papelbon was (since he could have come into pitch the
bottom of the 10th).
Seems strange to me . --
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Regards -
- Andrew
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Author: Srgnt BillkoSrgnt Billko Date: Jun 14, 2008 16:23
"Andrew" jkl.com> wrote in message
news:485451ff$0$7345$607ed4bc@cv.net...> OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
> ( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
> , section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? The game
> was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied after blowing
> the save. He never came back into the game. Why doesn't Hansen get the
> win? Because the Red Sox were winning when Hansen started the bottom of
> the 10th and therefore wasn't actually in the game when the Red Sox took
> the lead, but technically Papelbon was (since he could have come into
> pitch the bottom of the 10th).
>
> Seems strange to me .
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Author: NickownerNickowner Date: Jun 14, 2008 16:41
On Jun 14, 4:23Â pm, "Srgnt Billko" blipl.net> wrote:> "Andrew" jkl.com> wrote in message
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>>> OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
>> ( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official...
>> , section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? Â The game
>> was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied after blowing
>> the save. Â He never came back into the game. Â Why doesn't Hansen get the
>> win? Â Because the Red Sox were winning when Hansen started the bottom of
>> the 10th and therefore wasn't actually in the game when the Red Sox took
>> the lead, but technically Papelbon was (since he could have come into
>> pitch the bottom of the 10th). >
>> Seems strange to me .
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Author: Srgnt BillkoSrgnt Billko Date: Jun 14, 2008 17:00
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On Jun 14, 4:23 pm, "Srgnt Billko" blipl.net> wrote:> "Andrew" jkl.com> wrote in message
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>>> OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
>> ( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official...
>> , section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? The game
>> was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied after
>> blowing
>> the save. He never came back into the game. Why doesn't Hansen get the
>> win? Because the Red Sox were winning when Hansen started the bottom of
>> the 10th and therefore wasn't actually in the game when the Red Sox took
>> the lead, but technically Papelbon was (since he could have come into
>> pitch the bottom of the 10th). > ...
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Author: AndrewAndrew Date: Jun 14, 2008 17:34
Srgnt Billko wrote:
> "Andrew" jkl.com> wrote in message
> news:485451ff$0$7345$607ed4bc@cv.net...>> OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
>> ( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
>> , section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? The
>> game was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied
>> after blowing the save. He never came back into the game. Why
>> doesn't Hansen get the win? Because the Red Sox were winning when
>> Hansen started the bottom of the 10th and therefore wasn't actually
>> in the game when the Red Sox took the lead, but technically Papelbon
>> was (since he could have come into pitch the bottom of the 10th).
>>
>> Seems strange to me .
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> Regards -
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>> - Andrew > ...
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Author: S/B 954RRS/B 954RR Date: Jun 14, 2008 21:28
"Srgnt Billko" blipl.net> wrote in message
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> "Andrew" jkl.com> wrote in message
> news:485451ff$0$7345$607ed4bc@cv.net...>> OK - I don't understand this - can someone show me in the rules
>> ( http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
>> , section 10.17 I would think) why Papelbon gets the win today? The game
>> was tied 4-4 when he left at the bottom of the 9th game tied after
>> blowing the save. He never came back into the game. Why doesn't Hansen
>> get the win? Because the Red Sox were winning when Hansen started the
>> bottom of the 10th and therefore wasn't actually in the game when the Red
>> Sox took the lead, but technically Papelbon was (since he could have come
>> into pitch the bottom of the 10th).
>>
>> Seems strange to me .
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> Regards -
>> ...
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Author: Louis MartelLouis Martel Date: Jun 15, 2008 06:57
Per official scorers/rule to determine winning pitcher, In this case
scorer had no choice as Pap was the pitcher of record. Now as opposed to
S/B 954 who believes that there is only one other rule in this matter "I
thought that only applies when a starter didn't last 5 IP."
The not often used option for the official scorer is that a reliever
"pitches briefly and ineffectively" then the scorer can chose to give
the win to a subsequent pitcher even though the "bad" reliever left the
game as the pitcher of record. As Pap pitched an entire inning and only
gave up the one run via a HR. He pitched long enough and well enough to
register for the win.
"Sweet Lou"
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Author: J BuckJ Buck Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:02
Louis wrote:
a reliever "pitches briefly and ineffectively" then the scorer can chose
to give the win to a subsequent pitcher even though the "bad" reliever
left the game as the pitcher of record. As Pap pitched an entire inning
and only gave up the one run via a HR. He pitched long enough and well
enough to register for the win.>
Are you seriously making the argument that Papelbon pitched
'effectively'?
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Author: John W GintellJohn W Gintell Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:26
J Buck wrote:
> Louis wrote:
> a reliever "pitches briefly and ineffectively" then the scorer can chose
> to give the win to a subsequent pitcher even though the "bad" reliever
> left the game as the pitcher of record. As Pap pitched an entire inning
> and only gave up the one run via a HR. He pitched long enough and well
> enough to register for the win.>
>
> Are you seriously making the argument that Papelbon pitched
> 'effectively'?
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I've always thought that a fairer system would award a win gained by a closer
who blew a save to the pitcher of record before the save was blown.
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Author: McDuckMcDuck Date: Jun 15, 2008 10:43
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:02:49 -0400, jbuck41@ webtv.net (J Buck) wrote:
>Louis wrote:
>a reliever "pitches briefly and ineffectively" then the scorer can chose
>to give the win to a subsequent pitcher even though the "bad" reliever
>left the game as the pitcher of record. As Pap pitched an entire inning
>and only gave up the one run via a HR. He pitched long enough and well
>enough to register for the win.>
>
>Are you seriously making the argument that Papelbon pitched
>'effectively'?
As that term is used in that context, yes, Paps pitched effectively.
With a two run lead, he'd have had a save. "Ineffective" is the guy
who gets one out after giving up 5 runs or whatever. Rare to be
ineffective enough for the "ineffective" rule to get invoked. In this
context, ineffective = putrid. Paps was just disappointing, not
putrid.
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