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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Jul 9, 2007 17:35
I would be the first to admit, that since the end of the second World War,
this country has not been willing to send our military into harms way, with
the goal of succeeding. But I would also argue, that there is a downside to
leaving Iraq now. The downside is that "if" we do leave, we have shown any
future adversary, how to beat the United States with all of their military
might. All they have to do is "outlast us" and they will win, and we will
lose.
"If" this country will all of its military capability, cannot pacify a
country of 25 million, what hopes do we have of ever pacificying any
country, especially a country with a much larger population? Why do we
spend so much money on having a best military machine in the world, "if" we
are not willing to do what is necessary to succeed? Why should any of us
expect that in the future, when a President sends out military into harms
way, that we have the will to succeed?
"Gandalf Grey" infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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Author: lo yeeOnlo yeeOn Date: Jul 10, 2007 02:19
Ahem, General, can we afford such a decades-long war?
In article <46928010$0$8977$4c368faf@ roadrunner.com>,
Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>I would be the first to admit, that since the end of the second World War,
>this country has not been willing to send our military into harms way, with
>the goal of succeeding. But I would also argue, that there is a downside to
>leaving Iraq now. The downside is that "if" we do leave, we have shown any
>future adversary, how to beat the United States with all of their military
>might. All they have to do is "outlast us" and they will win, and we will
>lose.
Don't worry, sir! If we leave now, we ain't showing real adversaries
in the future what we might be willing to do. See below for details.
Iraq was never America's adversary. We went in with false pretense.
We wanted its oil and strategic base value. We've been acting as a
robber, a thief. So, we haven't been welcomed.
Yet, we're stubborn, so instead of recognizing our errand way, we've
raised the level of violence and destruction against the Iraqis in
hope that they would cry uncle.
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Author: lo yeeOnlo yeeOn Date: Jul 10, 2007 02:44
Ahem, General, can we afford such a decades-long war?
In article <46928010$0$8977$4c368faf@ roadrunner.com>,
Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>I would be the first to admit, that since the end of the second World War,
>this country has not been willing to send our military into harms way, with
>the goal of succeeding. But I would also argue, that there is a downside to
>leaving Iraq now. The downside is that "if" we do leave, we have shown any
>future adversary, how to beat the United States with all of their military
>might. All they have to do is "outlast us" and they will win, and we will
>lose.
Don't worry, sir! If we leave now, we ain't showing real adversaries
in the future what we might be willing to do. See below for details.
Iraq was never America's adversary. We went in with false pretense.
We wanted its oil and strategic base value. We've been acting as a
robber, a thief. So, we haven't been welcomed.
Yet, we're stubborn, so instead of recognizing our errand way, we've
raised the level of violence and destruction against the Iraqis in
hope that they would cry uncle.
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Author: lo yeeOnlo yeeOn Date: Jul 10, 2007 03:14
In article news04.infoave.net>,
Joe Irvin sccoast.net> wrote:>> Gandalf Grey wrote:
>>> Why the US is Losing this War in Iraq
>>>
>>
>> The total war concept is interesting but it has many flaws. First and
>> foremost we can't have total war with a country that was never a threat to
>> our national security.
>
>A country usually goes to war when it decides its in its national
>interest to do so. When that decision is made it should go to 'total
>war.' Anything less than total war is a mistake.
[Joe Irvin's message to continue after the following response]
Some national interest, eh? What national interest? What did Bush,
Cheney, Rice, et al say when they told us that we had to invade Iraq?
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Author: lo yeeOnlo yeeOn Date: Jul 10, 2007 03:21
In article news04.infoave.net>,
Joe Irvin sccoast.net> wrote:>> Gandalf Grey wrote:
>>> Why the US is Losing this War in Iraq
>>>
>>
>> The total war concept is interesting but it has many flaws. First and
>> foremost we can't have total war with a country that was never a threat to
>> our national security.
>
>A country usually goes to war when it decides its in its national
>interest to do so. When that decision is made it should go to 'total
>war.' Anything less than total war is a mistake.
[Joe Irvin's message to continue after the following response]
Some national interest, eh? What national interest? What did Bush,
Cheney, Rice, et al say when they told us that we had to invade Iraq?
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Author: lo yeeOnlo yeeOn Date: Jul 10, 2007 03:38
In article news04.infoave.net>,
Joe Irvin sccoast.net> wrote:>> Gandalf Grey wrote:
>>> Why the US is Losing this War in Iraq
>>>
>>
>> The total war concept is interesting but it has many flaws. First and
>> foremost we can't have total war with a country that was never a threat to
>> our national security.
>
>A country usually goes to war when it decides its in its national
>interest to do so. When that decision is made it should go to 'total
>war.' Anything less than total war is a mistake.
[Joe Irvin's message to continue after the following response]
Some national interest, eh? What national interest? What did Bush,
Cheney, Rice, et al say when they told us that we had to invade Iraq?
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Jul 10, 2007 01:22
> Ahem, General, can we afford such a decades-long war?
>
> In article <46928010$0$8977$4c368faf@ roadrunner.com>,
> Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>>I would be the first to admit, that since the end of the second World War,
>>this country has not been willing to send our military into harms way,
>>with
>>the goal of succeeding. But I would also argue, that there is a downside
>>to
>>leaving Iraq now. The downside is that "if" we do leave, we have shown
>>any
>>future adversary, how to beat the United States with all of their military
>>might. All they have to do is "outlast us" and they will win, and we will
>>lose.
>
> Don't worry, sir! If we leave now, we ain't showing real adversaries...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Jul 10, 2007 01:43
> Ahem, General, can we afford such a decades-long war?
>
> In article <46928010$0$8977$4c368faf@ roadrunner.com>,
> Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>>I would be the first to admit, that since the end of the second World War,
>>this country has not been willing to send our military into harms way,
>>with
>>the goal of succeeding. But I would also argue, that there is a downside
>>to
>>leaving Iraq now. The downside is that "if" we do leave, we have shown
>>any
>>future adversary, how to beat the United States with all of their military
>>might. All they have to do is "outlast us" and they will win, and we will
>>lose.
>
> Don't worry, sir! If we leave now, we ain't showing real adversaries
> in the future what we might be willing to do. See below for details.
> ...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Jul 10, 2007 01:46
If success is important, the answer is as long as it takes. If success is
not important, then the answer is, any day more spent there is too long....
"lo yeeOn" panix.com> wrote in message
news:f6ukq4$eqq$1@reader2.panix.com...> Ahem, General, can we afford such a decades-long war?
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> In article <46928010$0$8977$4c368faf@ roadrunner.com...
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Author: David JohnstonDavid Johnston Date: Jul 10, 2007 05:56
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:46:06 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>If success is important, the answer is as long as it takes.
How important?
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