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#Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: Kurt Nicklas
Date: May 8, 2008 18:40

1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.

2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
of the people before private profits.

3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
society.
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: 655321
Date: May 8, 2008 19:10

In article
<3984be25-1e04-4e64-b00a-14de8c84f7d4@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:

Left-winger here. Let me take a gander:
> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.

Not applicable. The above is not a platform; it's a metaphor.
> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
> of the people before private profits.

That's far to vague to be part of a platform. The current
administration's own actions have on occasion had the same intent. The
invasion if Iraq, for example. I'm paying for that mess with money that
I could otherwise use to increase the profit of a private company.
> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
> society.

That one has many built-in assumptions and conclusions. Not sure where
you're going with this one.
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: milt.shook
Date: May 9, 2008 02:46

On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>
> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
> of the people before private profits.
>
> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
> society.

The above isn't a platform. It's a list of misconceptions about what
you think "libb'rulls" stand for.

For example, #3... why would anyone want labor to "dominate" anything,
anymore than we want the corporate power to "dominate" now? That's
just insane. What we'd like to see is workers with more power to
negotiate the price they charge for their work. The country worked
better when we did that... people could afford to live back then...
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: 4067 Dead
Date: May 9, 2008 07:01

On Fri, 9 May 2008 02:46:45 -0700 (PDT), milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:
>On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>>
>> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being...
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: Lord Vetinari
Date: May 9, 2008 09:44

"4067 Dead" finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:v6p8241pepmjofqtlq35h1k6ht1tfrcds4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 02:46:45 -0700 (PDT), milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>>>
>>> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
>>> of the people before private profits.
>>>
>>> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
>>> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
>>> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
>>> society.
>>
>>The above isn't a platform. It's a list of misconceptions about what
>>you think "libb'rulls" stand for.

...and that's just a bit obnoxious, if you ask me. Certainly pointless.
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: Kurt Nicklas
Date: May 12, 2008 03:15

On May 9, 10:51 am, 4067 Dead finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 02:46:45 -0700 (PDT), milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>
>>> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
>>> of the people before private profits.
>
>>> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
>>> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
>>> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
>>> society.
>
>>The above isn't a platform. It's a list of misconceptions about what
>>you think "libb'rulls" stand for.
>
>>For example, #3... why would anyone want labor to "dominate" anything,
>>anymore than we want the corporate power to "dominate" now? That's
>>just insane. What we'd like to see is workers with more power to
>>negotiate the price they charge for their work. The country worked ...
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: pbamvv
Date: May 12, 2008 04:58

On 9 mei, 03:40, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>
> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
> of the people before private profits.
>
> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
> society.

In the Netherlands "Liberals" are considered rightwingers, so there
you go!
But actually this is a bit of an ill-constructed agenda.

#1 is a very negative approach, assuming everything the Bush
administration seeks to accomplish is evil. Of course it is not. One
can disagree with much of it, and one can disagree with alll of the
ways in which Bush&Co try to do it But it is rather a silly idea to
presume evertything that a man who has won half of the US votes twice
in a row only wants to do evil things.
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: 4075 Dead
Date: May 12, 2008 05:49

On Mon, 12 May 2008 03:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On May 9, 10:51 am, 4067 Dead finestplanet.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 02:46:45 -0700 (PDT), milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net...
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: Kurt Nicklas
Date: May 12, 2008 08:27

On May 12, 8:49 am, 4075 Dead finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 03:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
>
>
>
>
> bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>On May 9, 10:51 am, 4067 Dead finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 02:46:45 -0700 (PDT), milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>On May 8, 9:40 pm, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>
>>>>> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
>>>>> of the people before private profits.
>
>>>>> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
>>>>> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
>>>>> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
>>>>> society. ...
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Re: #Any Leftwingers In These Groups Disagree With This Political Platform?         


Author: Kurt Nicklas
Date: May 12, 2008 08:31

On May 12, 7:58 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
wrote:
> On 9 mei, 03:40, Kurt Nicklas bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> 1. Defeating the right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration.
>
>> 2. Winning a wide-ranging program of reforms that put the well being
>> of the people before private profits.
>
>> 3. Eventually replacing big business with labor and its allies as the
>> dominant power so as to insure that the rights, economic security and
>> expanding needs of the people become the overriding concern of
>> society.
>
> In the Netherlands "Liberals" are considered rightwingers, so there
> you go!

Why you are talking about liberals here, Peter, I do not know.
> But actually this is a bit of an ill-constructed agenda.

Well, that's the CP-USA for you!
> #1 is a very negative approach, assuming everything the Bush
> administration seeks to accomplish is evil. Of course it is not. One
> can disagree with much of it, and one can disagree with alll of the...
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