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Author: Neil KelseyNeil Kelsey
Date: Jan 16, 2007 14:19
Benj wrote:
> Peacenik wrote:
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>> First of all, we're all born atheists. We are taught god-belief by parents,
>> chruches, friends, relatives, etc.
>
> I don't believe that any of the above is true in all cases. I'm sure
> that SOME people are taught beliefs by parents, relatives, etc.
> Statistics bear that out. However, this precludes the case where a
> person by their own efforts researches and logically develops their own
> viewpoints. And to say we are all born atheists is like saying we are
> all born stupid and yeah in a sense it's true, and yet there are too
> many cases out there of the geniuses of the world who seem to enter
> with an understanding of certain subjects to a depth that the rest of
> us don't have. Some accept Mozart, but often won't accept the existence
> of saints.
>
>> As for me, my parents weren't religious. We never went to church, never
>> prayed, never had any religious aspects to our lives. None of m friends were
>> religious, either. I grew up in a very secular environment. ...
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Author: Kunt HarringtonKunt Harrington
Date: Jan 16, 2007 14:12
"Mitchell Holman" comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98BA55B14390Cta2eene2@216.196.97.131...> "Kunt Harrington" NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in
> news:45acc3c1$0$725$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does the US with many times the guns in circulation
>>>>>>>>> have many times have a murder rate many times that of gun-
>>>>>>>>> controlled Britain?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More guns DOES equal more murders, it seems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the BBC and the Guardian less guns mean more crime in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> UK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does the BBC say that the UK has more
>>>>>>> gun crime than the US? ...
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Author: Kunt HarringtonKunt Harrington
Date: Jan 16, 2007 14:11
" Kurt Lochner-Harrington" gmail.com> wrote in message
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Author: Roedy GreenRoedy Green
Date: Jan 16, 2007 14:06
Why should nutty religious beliefs be "respected" any more than any
other nutty beliefs? If you tell me aliens are living in your toaster,
you are a nutter. I have every right to call you a nutter. If you
tell me a fatherless dead man in the sky is listening to all your
thoughts, you are a nutter, even if millions of others share your
delusion. There no reason I should pretend I consider you any saner
than they guy with the aliens in his toaster.
I want to ENCOUARGE you to give you your insanity. Pretending to
respect it just helps keep you trapped. Could you imagine the
effectiveness of Bush's psychiatrist who solemnly pretended he too
could hear the voices inside Bush's head?
“The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of
real estate they own”
~ Frank Zappa
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Author: aversivenessaversiveness
Date: Jan 16, 2007 13:53
Martin Phipps wrote:
> Benj wrote:
>> Peacenik wrote:
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>>> First of all, we're all born atheists. We are taught god-belief by parents,
>>> chruches, friends, relatives, etc.
>>
>> I don't believe that any of the above is true in all cases. I'm sure
>> that SOME people are taught beliefs by parents, relatives, etc.
>> Statistics bear that out. However, this precludes the case where a
>> person by their own efforts researches and logically develops their own
>> viewpoints. And to say we are all born atheists is like saying we are
>> all born stupid
>
> Actually, no, to say that we are all born atheists is like saying we
> were all born smart and some of us BECAME stupid when they became
> theists. Ah, but that is precisely my objection to the "we are all
> born atheists" argument: if anything we are born simply ignorant of the
> concept of God (or gods) so to ask whether a baby believes or doesn't
> believe in God is nonsense because the concept just isn't there yet. ...
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Author: Roedy GreenRoedy Green
Date: Jan 16, 2007 13:52
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:26:16 -0500, buckeye-elo@ nospam.net wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>Last month, the Rev. Rob
>Schenck, a prominent Washington, D.C., evangelical leader, told a
>large gathering of young evangelicals that he believes homosexuality
>is not a choice but rather a predisposition, something "deeply rooted"
>in people. Schenck told me that his conversion came about after he'd
>spoken extensively with genetic researchers and psychologists.
Well Duh. If that were not so why would so many teens kill themselves
because they felt shame at the being unable to change their sexual
orientation to conform to Christian ideals?
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Author: Roedy GreenRoedy Green
Date: Jan 16, 2007 13:47
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:26:16 -0500, buckeye-elo@ nospam.net wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>Brain scans showed that when
>straight men smelled the female urine compound, their hypothalamus lit
>up. That didn't happen with gay men. Instead, their hypothalamus lit
>up when they smelled the male-sweat compound, which was the same way
>straight women had responded.
This guy is onto something, at least for me. Men smell delicious.
Women smell disgusting. I find it hard watching a movie showing
heterosexual activity to believe the male could possibly be able to
get turned on.
Logically I can see the necessity for breeding, and I intellectually
can see the necessity for attraction to form a pair bond to raise
children, but in my gut it seems utterly impossible the sexes could be
attracted to each other. They have almost nothing in common. They
don't even have a similar idea of what constitutes good sex. Even
heterosexual men, once they get married, they are always digging for
excuses to get away from their wives and hang out with their male
friends.
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Author: thomas p.thomas p.
Date: Jan 16, 2007 13:32
> Martin Phipps wrote:
>> Peacenik wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Since atheists are in the minority, it seems likely most
>>> atheists were
>>>>>>>>>> actually raised by parents who had some sort of religious
>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious as to when you first came to take an atheistic
>>> position and
>>>>>>>>>> exactly how it came about?
>>>
>>> First of all, we're all born atheists.
>>
>> I truly wish that were true in the literal sense (as opposed to the
>> trivial sense where one argues that a baby is atheist because he/she
>> hasn't even heard of God) so that people really weren't sucked in so
>> easily by theist lies, that they didn't desparately want to have a ...
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Author: patrick.barnespatrick.barnes
Date: Jan 16, 2007 13:04
Robert wrote:
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>>Brian E. Clark wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately for 'liberals' and for the whole country, many
>>> high schoolers go on to college, and many who do not
>>> nonetheless become educated, well-rounded adults by other
>>> means.
>>>
>>> By contrast, that poor lot whose parents happen to be ...
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