http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian/ Posts for alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:02:32 PST http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/img/64.png 64 64 NNSeek http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian/cnn_on_god_s_christian_warriors_propaganda_90862122t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian/cnn_on_god_s_christian_warriors_propaganda_90862122t.html > Alric Knebel wrote:
>
>> LarsensAttack wrote:
>>
>>> Watched Amanpour's show last night. Interesting, but more interesting
>>> for what she and CNN left out. She showed all the fundies, and the
>>> so-called "Christian Zionists" but she never went anywhere near
>>> the mainstream to hear their views on those she looked at.
>>> Never got any comments on them from the Catholics or mainstream
>>> Protestant churches. Never asked about where their money came from
>>> and whether they might be funded by special interests. She never
>>> looked at the concept that Christianity is the New Zion itself
>>> and that some churches like the Presbyterians are calling for
>>> boycotts of Israel.
>>>
>>> The whole show was a travesty and a platform for airing heretical
>>> views of the "Sword for Jesus" variety while promoting
>>> self-proclaimed Christians that have a purely political agenda
>>> that insists the only things that matter are abortion, hatred of gays
>>> and stem-cell research. None of which Christ spoke of in the
>>> New Testament, nor is there any evidence that He was anti-science.
>>>
>>> In fact, a number of these sects or cults of personality appear
>>> to have become so lost that they cannot focus on caring for the
>>> living, the poor, the environment etc, probably because their
>>> pastors and churches are funded by corporate lobbyists or
>>> foreign special interests.
>>>
>>> None of them ever talk about universal health care, a
>>> true Christian ideal, nor the protection of the earth
>>> as laid out in Genesis, nor helping the poor to improve their
>>> lot so that they might not need abortions.
>>>
>>> Far more disturbing was the sight of all these kids being
>>> brainwashed and home-schooled with little or no socialization
>>> and creating problems for the rest of America to deal with
>>> when they're adults and have to join society.
>>
>>
>> I think you misunderstood the intent of the program. We're all aware
>> of the warmer incarnations of Christianity, but they're not the same
>> Christians trying to make political inroads to theologize our secular
>> government, or to revise our history as evidence of some march toward
>> Christian world domination. She was merely exposing the underbelly of
>> this Christian movement, which is doing great harm to Christianity
>> itself by tainting it with this irrational, illogical fanaticism.
>
>
>
> Where did Amanpour state that was her agenda, or is that your
> interpretation? Why didn't she deal with the tax-exempt status
> of these political groups? It looked more like propaganda
> for those groups than a really hard-hitting take on them.

I admit I saw only part of it, but it looked like she was exposing the
darker said of it. Maybe I should have stuck around for the whole
thing, and seen where she was going. I was so pleased seeing it
discussed, it didn't occur to me that she wouldn't go in deep.

>> Who
>> would have ever believed that we'd be debating the Theory of Evolution
>> at this time in history, in the 21st century? But here we are. The
>> report in CNN is just one more challenge to an organization that
>> hasn't been challenged ideologically until just recently. A week or
>> so ago I saw on PBS a documentary about a conflict between
>> fundamentalist Christians and teachers that ended up in a state
>> supreme court (concluding with a Republican-appointed judge ruling in
>> favor of the teachers). Last year, the documentary JESUS CAMP showed
>> these freaks for what they are, without commentary (the menacing
>> religious leader shown toward the end was the same preacher exposed
>> for having a long affair with a male prostitute). Reasonable people
>> are aware of the different brands of Christianity. It's a good thing
>> to be focusing right now on Brand XXX. The word needs spreading.
>
>
> They were all shown up last year when tragedy struck the Amish
> and they showed us what real Christians look like.

I'm unaware of what you're talking about here.

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]]> Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:02:32 PST http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian/cnn_on_god_s_christian_warriors_propaganda_90799402t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.society.liberalism.alt.religion.christian/cnn_on_god_s_christian_warriors_propaganda_90799402t.html > On Dec 16, 8:35 am, LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net>
> wrote:
>> Watched Amanpour's show last night. Interesting, but more interesting
>> for what she and CNN left out. She showed all the fundies, and the
>> so-called "Christian Zionists" but she never went anywhere near
>> the mainstream to hear their views on those she looked at.
>> Never got any comments on them from the Catholics or mainstream
>> Protestant churches. Never asked about where their money came from
>> and whether they might be funded by special interests. She never
>> looked at the concept that Christianity is the New Zion itself
>> and that some churches like the Presbyterians are calling for boycotts
>> of Israel.
>>
>> The whole show was a travesty and a platform for airing heretical
>> views of the "Sword for Jesus" variety while promoting
>> self-proclaimed Christians that have a purely political agenda
>> that insists the only things that matter are abortion, hatred of gays
>> and stem-cell research. None of which Christ spoke of in the
>> New Testament, nor is there any evidence that He was anti-science.
>>
>> In fact, a number of these sects or cults of personality appear
>> to have become so lost that they cannot focus on caring for the
>> living, the poor, the environment etc, probably because their
>> pastors and churches are funded by corporate lobbyists or
>> foreign special interests.
>>
>> None of them ever talk about universal health care, a
>> true Christian ideal, nor the protection of the earth
>> as laid out in Genesis, nor helping the poor to improve their
>> lot so that they might not need abortions.
>>
>> Far more disturbing was the sight of all these kids being
>> brainwashed and home-schooled with little or no socialization
>> and creating problems for the rest of America to deal with
>> when they're adults and have to join society.

>
> Did the thought ever occur to you that the CNN special on "God's
> Christian Warriors" showed exactly what the producers set out to show?

Where did it say that was the aim? I must have missed it.
Anyone from another religion watching that might have thought
that ALL US Christians are like that.

>
> Mainstream denominations pose no threat to the US because they are not
> trying to turn this nation into a biblethumping, psalm-singing
> theocracy.

There was a major disconnect between their size and unstated money.
If those groups are so small, yet so powerful,
where is the money and influence coming from? It doesn't add up
unless you fully understand how small groups like that can wield
such influence. It seems that many of them enjoy tax-exempt status
yet are really political organizations. Why is no-one chasing that
angle? Amanpour didn't address that either.

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==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Dems and GOP:Equally Corrupt, Equally Rotten.
When are an Independent party and candidates going to materialize??
The Constitution: An Extortion Payment to Al Qaeda by the Spineless.

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