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Author: LiamLiam Date: Sep 7, 2007 12:46
So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
socialism, actually are.
And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
control of businesses and land, etc.
But, here's my issue: Nearly every experience I've ever had with
decision by committee, has ended up either in failure or a decision
that no one really likes.
What would happen if all production was run by decision by committee?
I can imagine anarchism working just fine 100 or so years ago, but in
this modern age, I can't imagine such advancements as we've had
without some amount of focus and drive made by some figure or
corporate president. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates for just a couple of
examples.
Also, modern arms and armaments. 100 or so years ago the people and
the governments had basically the same level of armament. More or
less. I can't imagine a truly anarchistic society, without a federal...
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Author: James A. DonaldJames A. Donald Date: Sep 7, 2007 21:26
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:
> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
> socialism, actually are.
> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>
> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
> control of businesses and land, etc.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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Author: Alex RussellAlex Russell Date: Sep 9, 2007 14:50
James A. Donald wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:
> >> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
>> socialism, actually are.
>> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
>> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>>
>> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
>> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
>> control of businesses and land, etc.
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Author: Michael PriceMichael Price Date: Sep 9, 2007 17:17
On Sep 10, 7:50 am, Alex Russell telus.net> wrote:> James A. Donald wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:>
>>> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
>>> socialism, actually are.
>>> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
>>> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>
>>> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
>>> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
>>> control of businesses and land, etc.
>
>> See Bryan Caplan's "Anarchist theory faq"'
>
>
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>> We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because ...
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Author: Alex RussellAlex Russell Date: Sep 9, 2007 22:30
Michael Price wrote:
> On Sep 10, 7:50 am, Alex Russell telus.net> wrote:>> James A. Donald wrote:
>>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:>>>> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
>>>> socialism, actually are.
>>>> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
>>>> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>>>> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
>>>> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
>>>> control of businesses and land, etc.
>> The socialist dream of anarchy isn't the only dream. There is also an ...
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Author: Dan CloreDan Clore Date: Sep 10, 2007 01:45
Alex Russell wrote:
> James A. Donald wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:
>>>>> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
>>> socialism, actually are.
>>> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
>>> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>>>
>>> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
>>> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
>>> control of businesses and land, etc.
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Author: LiamLiam Date: Sep 10, 2007 09:43
On Sep 9, 4:50 pm, Alex Russell telus.net> wrote:> James A. Donald wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Liam celticbear.com> wrote:>
>>> So I'm just starting to learn about what anarchism, and libertarian
>>> socialism, actually are.
>>> And theoretically, I agree with the concepts! I agree with the intent
>>> and purpose and philosophy of anarchism.
>
>>> But, I can't for the life of me imagine it working. I can kind of wrap
>>> my head around an idea of a world without "wealth." Of collective
>>> control of businesses and land, etc.
>
>> See Bryan Caplan's "Anarchist theory faq"'
>
>
>> --
>> ----------------------
>> We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because ...
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Author: James A. DonaldJames A. Donald Date: Sep 10, 2007 12:48
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:18 -0700, Liam
celticbear.com> wrote:> Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The examples
> of possibly working anarchist systems have all been
> 100 years ago or more. I still see no examples or
> ideas of how an anarchist system could work today,
> that FAQ included.
For an explanation of how anarcho capitalism would work
today, see http://jim.com/anarcho-.htm "Brief
explanation of anarcho capitalism"
> Plus, the examples of unchecked capitalism, Martin
> Friedman capitalism in particular, in modern times
> seems to be highly corrupt (or draw the highly
> corruptible,)
The closest thing to unchecked capitalism is, or
recently was, Hong Kong. Worked pretty well.
What is this "corruption" of which you speak - that a
man might use his own property for his own profit?
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Author: LiamLiam Date: Sep 10, 2007 13:45
On Sep 10, 2:48 pm, James A. Donald echeque.com> wrote:> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:43:18 -0700, Liam
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> celticbear.com> wrote:>> Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The examples
>> of possibly working anarchist systems have all been
>> 100 years ago or more. I still see no examples or
>> ideas of how an anarchist system could work today,
>> that FAQ included.
>> Plus, the examples of unchecked capitalism, Martin
>> Friedman capitalism in particular, in modern times
>> seems to be highly corrupt (or draw the highly
>> corruptible,)
>
> The closest thing to unchecked capitalism is, or ...
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Author: James A. DonaldJames A. Donald Date: Sep 10, 2007 14:40
On Sep 10, 2:48 pm, James A. Donald
>> What is this "corruption" of which you speak - that
>> a man might use his own property for his own profit?
Liam
Which tells me nothing at all - not even what the film
is about. Sounds vaguely like a post apocalypse science
fiction film.
> The problem I'm seeing in explanations of
> anarcho-capitalism is that it eschews forces that use
> power to unfairly influence or take away rights...but
> it all seems to ignore one important fact: wealth =
> power.
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