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Author: Spacey SpadeSpacey Spade Date: May 22, 2008 12:21
I have the section below taped to my mailbox. I recently refused some
junk mail when the mailman came to my mailbox, when he was at the next
door neighbor's mailbox. I told him I didn't want it, and he said I
could throw it away. Instead I put it in his vehicle. He backed up
to put the junk mail in my mailbox, but I stood in front of the
mailbox. He put it at my feet and drove off.
508 Recipient Services
1.1.2 Refusal at Delivery
The addressee may refuse to accept a mailpiece when it is offered for
delivery.
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Author: Adam H. KermanAdam H. Kerman Date: May 22, 2008 16:02
Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:
>I have the section below taped to my mailbox. I recently refused some
>junk mail when the mailman came to my mailbox, when he was at the next
>door neighbor's mailbox. I told him I didn't want it, and he said I
>could throw it away. Instead I put it in his vehicle. He backed up
>to put the junk mail in my mailbox, but I stood in front of the
>mailbox. He put it at my feet and drove off.
Were the two of you planning to come to blows?
Yes, you can refuse mail. As he had already delivered it, you were
obliged to write "Refused" across the address label per the standard
that you quoted.
No, you do not have the right to put anything in his vehicle. No, you
do not have the right to provoke your letter carrier.
What could possibly motivate you to do this? You need your letter
carrier as an ally.
You owe the guy an apology.
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Author: Long GoneLong Gone Date: May 22, 2008 18:54
"Adam H. Kerman" chinet.com> wrote in message
news:4t6dnaGpF8gZZqjVnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...> Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:
>>>I have the section below taped to my mailbox. I recently refused some
>>junk mail when the mailman came to my mailbox, when he was at the next
>>door neighbor's mailbox. I told him I didn't want it, and he said I
>>could throw it away. Instead I put it in his vehicle. He backed up
>>to put the junk mail in my mailbox, but I stood in front of the
>>mailbox. He put it at my feet and drove off.
>
> Were the two of you planning to come to blows?
>
> Yes, you can refuse mail. As he had already delivered it, you were
> obliged to write "Refused" across the address label per the standard
> that you quoted.
>
> No, you do not have the right to put anything in his vehicle. No, you
> do not have the right to provoke your letter carrier.
> ...
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Author: Robert DeSavageRobert DeSavage Date: May 22, 2008 19:27
On Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:28 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" chinet.com>
wrote:
>Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:
>>>I have the section below taped to my mailbox. I recently refused some
>>junk mail when the mailman came to my mailbox, when he was at the next
>>door neighbor's mailbox. I told him I didn't want it, and he said I
>>could throw it away. Instead I put it in his vehicle. He backed up
>>to put the junk mail in my mailbox, but I stood in front of the
>>mailbox. He put it at my feet and drove off.
>
>Were the two of you planning to come to blows?
>
>Yes, you can refuse mail. As he had already delivered it, you were
>obliged to write "Refused" across the address label per the standard
>that you quoted.
>
>No, you do not have the right to put anything in his vehicle. No, you
>do not have the right to provoke your letter carrier
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Author: Spacey SpadeSpacey Spade Date: May 22, 2008 20:15
On May 22, 6:02Â pm, "Adam H. Kerman" chinet.com> wrote:> Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:[snip]
> Yes, you can refuse mail. As he had already delivered it, you were
> obliged to write "Refused" across the address label per the standard
> that you quoted.
"The addressee may refuse to accept a mailpiece when it is offered for
delivery."
Says nothing about writing "refused"
"After delivery, an addressee may mark a mailpiece "Refused" and
return
it within a reasonable time, if the piece or any attachment is not
opened"
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Author: Long GoneLong Gone Date: May 23, 2008 04:38
"Spacey Spade" hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:46433ccc-748f-4ab5-b81a-4ede41397f4c@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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We both acted inappropriately, however, I'm so fed up with it that I
wouldn't mind a good fist fight. They treated a friend of mine that
is pro-environment the same way, and that got me to put the postal
code on my mail box.
You might consider it money better spent if you took an anger management
class. Assault and/or battery of a postal employee on duty is a federal
offense punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or some jail time. Is all
that worth it? Seems like putting the unwanted mail in your own trash would
be a far simpler solution.
As for your pro-environment friend, refusing the mail does not eliminate the
mail piece. It only changes the final place of disposition.
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Author: Adam H. KermanAdam H. Kerman Date: May 23, 2008 07:58
Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:>On May 22, 6:02 pm, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:>>Yes, you can refuse mail. As he had already delivered it, you were
>>obliged to write "Refused" across the address label per the standard
>>that you quoted.
>"The addressee may refuse to accept a mailpiece when it is offered for
>delivery."
>Says nothing about writing "refused"
>"After delivery, an addressee may mark a mailpiece "Refused" and
>return it within a reasonable time, if the piece or any attachment is
>not opened"
You just quoted the standard requiring you to write "Refused" on the
address label for mail delivered to you that you have chosen to refuse.
Once placed in your mailbox, your mail has been delivered. If you then
choose to refuse it, you MUST mark it refused, then return it within a
reasonable time.
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Author: Spacey SpadeSpacey Spade Date: May 23, 2008 08:03
On May 23, 6:38Â am, "Long Gone" nospamforadam.net> wrote:
> As for your pro-environment friend, refusing the mail does not eliminate the
> mail piece. Â It only changes the final place of disposition.
What happens if more people start refusing email? What happens if it
becomes a choice to receive or not receive bulk mail. Post office
starts losing money due to fall in bulk mail revenue. That's the real
reason behind the resistance.
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Author: Adam H. KermanAdam H. Kerman Date: May 23, 2008 10:07
Spacey Spade hotpop.com> wrote:>On May 23, 6:38 am, "Long Gone" nospamforadam.net> wrote:>>As for your pro-environment friend, refusing the mail does not eliminate the
>>mail piece. It only changes the final place of disposition.
>What happens if more people start refusing email?
More people would be committing minor harm to the environment by adding
costs to disposal of garbage, both transportation and handling expenses
and pollution associated with transporting the garbage from your mailbox
back to the post office.
>What happens if it becomes a choice to receive or not receive bulk mail.
>Post office starts losing money due to fall in bulk mail revenue.
>That's the real reason behind the resistance.
You're admitting that concern for the environment isn't the real reason.
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