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Author: SilverdahlSilverdahl Date: Aug 6, 2007 09:55
Can the USPS require a neighborhood that has been getting door to door
delivery since it's beginning, to switch to Centralized Delivery.
Can anyone refuse the new system?
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Author: Long GoneLong Gone Date: Aug 6, 2007 16:52
> Can the USPS require a neighborhood that has been getting door to door
> delivery since it's beginning, to switch to Centralized Delivery.
> Can anyone refuse the new system?
Other than for safety reasons, once delivery is established it should remain
as originally configured. By mutual agreement, a change can be made.
Normally, customers are requested to change from house delivery to curb or
from curb to centralized but the customer would have to agree to the change.
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Unless over 50 percent of the
customers agree to the change it is not cost effective for the Postal
Service to implement piecemeal changes.
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Author: goPostalgoPostal Date: Aug 6, 2007 19:19
"Long Gone" nospamforadam.com> wrote in message
news:8vOti.1504$MT3.1098@trnddc05...>> Can the USPS require a neighborhood that has been getting door to door
>> delivery since it's beginning, to switch to Centralized Delivery.
>> Can anyone refuse the new system?
>
> Other than for safety reasons, once delivery is established it should
> remain
> as originally configured. By mutual agreement, a change can be made.
> Normally, customers are requested to change from house delivery to curb or
> from curb to centralized but the customer would have to agree to the
> change.
> Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Unless over 50 percent of the
> customers agree to the...
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Author: Long GoneLong Gone Date: Aug 6, 2007 19:32
"goPostal" hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iDQti.72$%%s7.16@newsfe12.lga...> LG, they are doing this all over the country. I follow in the local and
> national NALC pubs and this is becoming commonplace. It used to be the
rule
> that established delivery was set in stone but not so much anymore. This
all
> started with the new deliveries being centralized and when the PO saw the
> immediate cost savings it began to creep into more and more places. The
NALC
> has fought it with mixed results, mostly losing.
> I'm a staunch union advocate but this is the way of the future for the
post
> office. Our way of doing delivery is rapidly becoming so cost-ineffective
as
> to render itself useless. DPS (and now flat sorting) is making the average
> carrier cover more and more ground...
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Author: SilverdahlSilverdahl Date: Aug 7, 2007 16:09
Thanks for the input guys.
I spoke to a union steward at the station my mail comes out of.
She said there had been a lot of dog bites on this particular route and so
they're calling it a safety reason.
What I don't get is this is a very large route, why would they change the
entire neighbor hood because of one or two bad streets.
Of course I do know why, it's all about the numbers and now they feel
they've found something they can hide behind.
The local "On Your Side" news station caught wind of it and went out on the
route with the carrier and wouldn't you know it, the cameraman got rushed by
a dog.
Looks like it's going to be a done deal in spite of the community's
feelings.
"Long Gone" nospamforadam.com> wrote in message
news:mRQti.2057$zg3.1310@trnddc04...> "goPostal" hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iDQti.72$%%s7.16@newsfe12.lga...>> LG, they...
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Author: Adam H. KermanAdam H. Kerman Date: Aug 7, 2007 16:20
Silverdahl bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the input guys.
>I spoke to a union steward at the station my mail comes out of.
>She said there had been a lot of dog bites on this particular route and so
>they're calling it a safety reason.
Oh, hahaha. The carrier will stay longer at the centralized delivery
unit, giving the dog plenty of time to get there. Gene-yous management.
>What I don't get is this is a very large route, why would they change the
>entire neighbor hood because of one or two bad streets.
I think you've spotted a deception.
>Of course I do know why, it's all about the numbers and now they feel
>they've found something they can hide behind.
>The local "On Your Side" news station caught wind of it and went out on the
>route with the carrier and wouldn't you know it, the cameraman got rushed by
>a dog.
>Looks like it's going to be a done deal in spite of the community's
>feelings.
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Author: goPostalgoPostal Date: Aug 7, 2007 18:32
> Silverdahl bellsouth.net> wrote:> What ever happened to ordering the carrier to skip deliveries to avoid
> conflict with the dog unless and until the dog's owner stops letting the
> dog run free or, ghod forbid, become a responsible dog owner and give
> the dog the training he desperately needs?
The problem with that is it puts the impetus of responsibility on the
carrier to police the dog. The owner obviously isn't going to.
This a common battle for unions on behalf of carriers. As piecemeal as
enforcement of this issue is nationwide, I'd love to see a white paper put
out outlining exactly the given response for a problem dog. I've seen areas
where you are ordered to stop all adjacent houses indefinitely until the
owner takes care of the animal all the way down to carriers being told to
"take the mail with you every day and attempt delivery". I guess if you
don't get bitten, it's a successful day?
I'm not surprised that centralized delivery is being done in the guise of
safety. Common.
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Author: Adam H. KermanAdam H. Kerman Date: Aug 7, 2007 19:02
goPostal hotmail.com> wrote:>"Adam H. Kerman" chinet.com> wrote:>>What ever happened to ordering the carrier to skip deliveries to avoid
>>conflict with the dog unless and until the dog's owner stops letting the
>>dog run free or, ghod forbid, become a responsible dog owner and give
>>the dog the training he desperately needs?
>The problem with that is it puts the impetus of responsibility on the
>carrier to police the dog. The owner obviously isn't going to.
As long as the dog isn't biting his supervisor or postmaster, his ass is
on the line... literally. So, yes, I think the carrier should initiate
steps and yes, I think his supervisor should back him up all the way.
>This a common battle for unions on behalf of carriers. As piecemeal as
>enforcement of this issue is nationwide, I'd love to see a white paper put
>out outlining exactly the given response for a problem dog. I've seen areas
>where you are ordered to stop all adjacent houses indefinitely until the
>owner takes care of the animal all the way down to carriers being told to
>"take the mail with you every day and attempt delivery". I guess if you
>don't get bitten, it's a successful day?
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Author: Long GoneLong Gone Date: Aug 7, 2007 19:37
> Thanks for the input guys.
>
> I spoke to a union steward at the station my mail comes out of.
> She said there had been a lot of dog bites on this particular route and so
> they're calling it a safety reason.
>
> What I don't get is this is a very large route, why would they change the
> entire neighbor hood because of one or two bad streets.
>
> Of course I do know why, it's all about the numbers and now they feel
> they've found something they can hide behind.
>
> The local "On Your Side" news station caught wind of it and went out on
the
> route with the carrier and wouldn't you know it, the cameraman got rushed
by
> a dog.
> ...
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Author: SilverdahlSilverdahl Date: Aug 7, 2007 18:58
> Silverdahl bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>Thanks for the input guys.
>
>>I spoke to a union steward at the station my mail comes out of.
>>She said there had been a lot of dog bites on this particular route and so
>>they're calling it a safety reason.
>
> Oh, hahaha. The carrier will stay longer at the centralized delivery
> unit, giving the dog plenty of time to get there. Gene-yous management.
>
>>What I don't get is this is a very large route, why would they change the
>>entire neighbor hood because of one or two bad streets.
>
> I think you've spotted a deception.
>
>>Of course I do know why, it's all about the numbers and now they feel
>>they've found something they can hide behind. ...
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