"Whitelightning"
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news:JqK_j.8546$9H6.570@trnddc04...> Read most of this thread. See lots of issues on both sides. I have more
> issues with those addicted to alcohol than nicotine.
So take it to the alt.alcoholics newsgroup.
> Never seen a nicotine addict splatter someone all over the highway, damn
> sure seen too many splattered by drunks though.
Many of those criminal drunks are also lowlife tobacco-addicts too.
> The anti smoking crowd is too rabid most of the time to be of any use
So all the anti-PUBLIC-smoking legislation is being promoted and passed
by pro-smokers?
LOL!
> to any one with their holier than thou attitude about smoking
You misspelled "healthier" ...
> but most often have their own little destructive vices they look the other
> way about.
Utterly irrelevant to the issue of regulating/eliminating PUBLIC smoking.
>I know lots of rabid anti smokers who see nothing wrong with the use of
>recreational pharmaceuticals. Strange isnt it.
Do those pharma users BURN their drugs into a putrid noxious effluent
in PUBLIC places, forcing innocent bystander to inhale their wretched
carcinogenic spew?
> I have a unique perspective on it. See I smoked, started when I was 15,
> quit after 30 some odd years, got tired of being taxed to death on my use,
> and being told were I could and could not par take of my vise.
It's your inconsiderate ilk that has caused civilized society to kick
you lowlife wretched addicts to the filthy gutter where you belong.
> Seems even though it has been a number of years since I did, I didn't
> quit soon enough. Old man cancer got a hold of me, been fighting him the
> last two years now.
Your karma .. you earned it, now enjoy it jackass.
> Before anyone argues, here's the statistics on my cancer. If you take a
> random sample of 100 people with it and put them in a room, 80 of them
> will be men over the age of 40 who used tobacco of some sort during their
> life time. 15 will be men under the age of 40 or women who used tobacco
> at some time in their life.. The last 5 people they don't know why they
> got it. So with those numbers its a pretty for sure thing tobacco caused
> the cancer.
So why did you deliberately expose 100s of innocent people around you
to such cancerous spew all those years, eh scumbag?
> Snuff and chewing seem to be worse, those weren't in my usage. Pipe
> usage is high on the list as are cigars, followed by cigarettes. They say
> the number of under 40 is growing though attributed to the use of snuff by
> teens showing up as young as 20. Seems holding the "juice" in the mouth
> results in a higher concentration of the nitrosamines that are the main
> cause of cancer, not nicotine and are absorbed through the lining of the
> mouth and throat faster than in smoke form . And since pipe and cigar
> smokers do not inhale per say but tend to hold the smoke in their mouths,
> they tend to have more nitrosamines absorbed because every pipe smoker and
> cigar smoker knows they tend to end up with some tobacco juice in the
> mouth as well.
>
> The good news, if there is some, is that it is highly curable if caught
> soon enough,the bad news is it usually isn't caught until it spreads to
> the lymphoids in the neck area, by which time its classified stage 4. I
> seem to be gaining on it. I am in my third round of chemo,
Ain't it fun, just like your years of suck suck suuuucking on those
cancer sticks, eh moron?
> fixing to start my second round of radiation, and have had one surgery in
> the neck area, I wont ever throw a baseball or football, or darts again
> at least not right handed because I can't raise my right arm above
> shoulder height anymore, and have to be careful pulling with right arm
> because I could dislocate my shoulder, see all the muscles in my neck that
> stabilize the shoulder, they're gone. Teaching myself to fly cast left
> handed.
So now you're going to abuse defenseless animals?
> Got some other nice side affects as well. Radiation softens bone. And
> because of where I had to be treated I lost my saliva glands during
> treatment, they have only partially come back. By grace of god
Your "god" despises you, you inconsiderate self-centered stooge.
> my taste buds did come back. As such no radiologists will treat this
> cancer with out your teeth being pulled first. See no saliva means dry
> mouth which means tooth decay. Soft jaw bone means jaw breaks when they
> try to pull a bad tooth, and because of radiation and chemo, jaw doesn't
> want to heal, so bye bye pearly whites.. Did I mention the feeding tube,
> see the throat gets so raw from the radiation treatment you cant swallow
> much of anything, I lived on ensure for almost 5 months before throat got
> to where I could swallow enough to live on "normal" food alone.
Makes you just want to go out and suck a pack of cigarettes down, don't
it addict?
> Thing is no dentist will fit for dentures till you have been off radiation
> treatment for 12 months. That would have been last month, but another
> tumor , much smaller, has appeared in the neck so we start radiation again
> this week or next. Haven't had a steak in 2 years, or a pork chop, or
> ribs, or a nice green salad, get the drift. Tired of fish, hamburger and
> pasta.
So who's paying for all this wasted futile treatment?
> Nicotine is a stimulant and that's its catch. Its also found in peppers,
> potatoes, and tomatoes.
> Thing is there is no guarantee that smoking will lead to cancer,
Only moron smokers like you would want such a "guarantee".
> nor that quitting will save you from it.
You really are dumber than a box of rocks, aren't you fool?
> Weird isn't it. My aunt died of cancer, never touched the stuff, her mom,
> my grandmother smoked like a chimney in her later years, long after my
> aunt had married and moved out, lived to be late 70s,
So a moron like you figured if you'd smoke you'd live long too, eh jackass?
> her diabetes and refusal to watch diet got her, or more likely broken
> heart after her husband, my grandfather died. And she took a slow way of
> committing suicide. No cancer though. Then again my mom's mom died of
> cancer, I was too young to remember where it started, but do remember it
> was everywhere at the end, that was back in the late 60's.
Back when cigarettes were healthy ... LOL!
> Thing is tobacco is a legal to use substance.
Irrelevant, and nor more "legal" than alcohol or other
dangerous drugs and substances that are prone to abuse.
> The nannies want to change that.
Why do lowlife smokers like you ALWAYS lie?
What civilized society wants is for lowlife drug addicts
like you to keep your cancerous wretched drug habits
within the privacy of your own putrid abode.That'd you'd
be so callous and abusive that you'd expose you own
family and children to such harm bothers me not one bit.
They deserve it for being pig-ignorant enough to tolerate
a selfish scumbag like you in their lives.
> After they get their way with tobacco they will move on to something else,
> like your cold one after a hard days work, or the nightcap before bed, or
> the after diner brandy, or the bloody mary waiting for dinner, all of
> which cause more problems in my view than tobacco use.
You're lying again, addict.
> Then it will be the "junk" food we love so much.
Figures an imbecile like you would also eat like a pig.
> And that is my objection to outlawing it.
What's being outlawed is the PUBLIC burning of tobacco,
you deluded lying piece of crap.
> while it can cause cancer, and does cause cancer there is no guarantee it
> will cause cancer.
God damn you are one stump-stupid fuckchop, aren't you boy?
> We know the risks,
How'd that work out for you, eh addict?
> weigh them against the enjoyment we get from our vices and make up our own
> adult minds.
Then keep them to YOURSELF you wretched puke.
> Let the nannies take care of them selves, and leave the reast of the world
> alone.
We will, as soon as the ONLY place you lowlife tobacco-sucking
maggots can legally smoke is inside the privacy of your own
putrid homes.
> I don't want no one's pity.
What delusion were you entertaining that you thought
any was forthcoming?
> I made my own choices, I read the articles and weighed the risks.
And exposed 100s of innocent people around you to
risks they neither wanted nor chose, you repugnant piece of crap.
> a good smoke would calm me down in stressed situations, could perk me up a
> bit if I was dragging, and when it came to my pipe, I really enjoyed it.
So you really liked sucking on a pipe, eh?
Why are we not surprised?
> I liked the act of smoking it, I liked the taste of the tobaccos I used,
> I liked the aromas.
How you like the chemo?
>That all said, If I could caknoe then what I caknoe now, I would have
>never gotten in that canoe with tobacco all those years ago,
Yes you would, you're just the type of ignoramus who'd expect a "guarantee"
that it would cause cancer before you'd abstain.
> but then that's hindsight, and who knows for sure what today would be
> based on choices made different yesterday, I could be one of the 5 rather
> than the 80. You dont like tobacco, then dont do it,
We don't, moron. Nor will we tolerate shitbags like you doing it anywhere
near us. Got it?
> dont want to be around it avoid going where its use is common, real
> simple.
That's why we pass laws and prohibitions, so it won't be around where
we decide to go, scumbag.
> And smokers, we have our bad apples too.
You looking in the mirror again, eh addict?
> My biggest pet peave, there is a thing called an ashtray, learn to use
> the damn thing. It only took me one time getting put in the front leaning
> rest position to teach me at 17 not to toss my butts on the ground, course
> the habit of feild stripping them and putting the filter in my right front
> pants pocket drove my wife nuts.
Won't you be proud when she develops cancer from years of being
exposed to the toxic effluent of a self-centered asshole like you.
