>>> At last count they have sold about 170,000 copies of "The Game". The
>>> amount of actual pickup instruction in that book is not great, it's
>>> mostly a story about some dysfunctional people who lived together in
>>> Hollywood, and their exploits. Most people have real jobs, unlike you,
>>> and have to spend a large part of their time working.
>>
>> Last time I checked I work a real job. That I don't punch a time clock
>> is a plus, not a minus.
>>
> You don't make as much money as a part timer at minimum wage. That's not
> a job, it's a hobby.
The IRS defines a hobby as something that does not turn a profit three out
of every five years. I do not meet that definition. Businesses often don't
make money at first when they are being built. When people break rules and
harm the business, that is especially true.
Hell, Mystery didn't even begin making any real money until a few years
after he did his first workshop, which barely covered his expenses. Doesn't
mean it was a "hobby" to him.
>> As for "The Game," the sales are more than 170,000, plus the book is
>> given or loaned to people, so there is a multiplier there. Then there
>> are the websites and other media exposure. The book is also still
>> selling steadily, and as for pickup instruction, Mystery is releasing his
>> VAH as a paperback soon.
>>
> As I said, the last time I looked that was the figure. I'll give you the
> benefit of the doubt and say 250,000 copies and that every single one of
> them was read cover to cover, which we all know is not true. It does not
> change anything, the book has been out for what, six months? Yesterdays
> news.
Not even close, as people always want good information on how to get laid.
There's also that little MAJOR MOTION PICTURE being made.
>Besides, it's great entertainment if you want to read about dysfunctional
>people in Hollyweird. The amout of actual pickup information is not great,
>and really it doesn't need to be. What we are talking about is teaching
>men how to walk up to a woman, introduce himself, and take her home with
>him.
If she's a slut and he doesn't care about STDs, maybe.
>Even a cretin like you can do that once in awhile if you would go out and
>grow some balls.
How amusing that a coward who can't even identify himself in his postings
would call someone else a name like that.
>Overcoming the fear of rejection is the holy grail here. The rest is just
>fluff.
There are many rAFCs who have no fear of rejection who still don't get what
they want.
>>> The STD risk is acually lower now as most people are using condoms.
>>
>> Condoms don't prevent herpes.
>>
> You are exactly right. That's one we can't dodge and I thank God every
> day that I have not been as unlucky as you were.
Me and 70 million Americans. At least it's not HIV.
>>>This was not true in the 80s and before. People still get married, but
>>>nowdays they take more time and try and do it right the first time.
>>
>> Marriage is down 40 percent from a generation ago.
>>
> True, people have seen that marriage is not always the best answer.
> However there are many reasons, some of them politically incorrect, for
> the lower marriage figures. Our generation was not a good role model, and
> for that I'm very sad.
Without marriage, you have sexual free agency, and a totally different
landscape, one where 9s and 10s never leave the market, and make that market
much more difficult to succeed in for the average guy, since he is now
thought to be what a woman "settles" for rather than what he would be with
the 9s and 10s not as his competition. Same for the females.
>>>Over half of marriages fail, and the reasons are the same as they have
>>>always been, only now a divorce is MUCH easier to get, so there are a lot
>>>more people in the dating pool with former spouses in their background.
>>>Used goods? I'm glad you look at it that way, more for me then.
>>
>> It's not about "used goods," but rather that sexual free agency has
>> totally altered the dating market. There are far more hotties of both
>> genders who are not married going out every weekend. This is competition
>> that simply didn't exist forty or fifty years ago, because these folks
>> used to marry off.
>>
> Dude, when I walk into a bar, the only thing on my mind is the ratio of
> women to men. That's going to remain constant, because if the ratio is
> too bad, the extra guys will sooner or later leave and if they can't keep
> it within certain paramaters, the bar/club will close. Law of the dating
> jungle, and it will remain so. I don't really give a crap how many women
> are sitting at home, they are not targets because they are not available.
> The ratio will stay in balance, it cannot do otherwise.
Of course it can, and it has. Even if the "ratio" is still the same, if the
average single person is hotter, then it becomes more difficult for those
less hot to compete.
Same occurs with every guy getting "game." A woman doesn't have to keep
searching for that "rare" PUA because he's no longer rare.
>> Whereas forty years ago some nice guy might have been able to marry a 10,
>> that same nice guy won't be able to take her home from a bar on Friday
>> night, because the 10 is out there trying to get some investment-banker
>> type to "commit" to her, because HE is at the bar as well, since he
>> didn't marry off.
>>
> He would have married a different 10, and since he didn't, she's on the
> market. Your statement makes no sense at all.
He's not marrying ANYONE, and neither is the 10.
Marriage is more and more only for the desperate. We now live in a hookup
culture.
>> While it may be profitable for the gurus to teach 100 men how to win at
>> musical chairs, 99 of them are going to lose. Because the competition is
>> tougher, the promise of winning will sell for a much higher price, with
>> much less odds of occurring.
>>
> Life's a bitch, learn to be the one that suceeds.
"Life's a bitch" isn't what a guy who spends thousands of dollars is paying
to learn.
>What you don't seem to understand in your rants is that a product that is
>not worth the money to you, may well be worth it to someone who has more
>money and less time. So he uses some of his money to take the shortcut of
>a personal coach.
That presumes the coach is teaching something that works for the typical
student, which is not the case.
>I had a PUA for a roomie, so I learned for free. Everyone is not that
>lucky. Life with it....
I had wings who taught me for free as well.
>> Like in the gold rush, those who "mine the miners" are the ones who make
>> out.
>>
> So what's your problem? Are you so wedded to poverty that you can't go
> with the flow. They are making money and getting laid, while you stay
> home and whine on USENET.
He said as he clicked "send."
>>>> Unless a man is blessed by being in the top 5-10 percent of men (by
>>>> definition 90-95 percent of men are not), he'll get table scraps from
>>>> the hottie sluts (like the guy who fucked one once, got hooked, and got
>>>> dumped), but he won't reliably get them the way the super-alphas do.
>>>>
>>> The entire POINT of most of these books (except yours) is to teach me
>>> how to BE one of the Alphs instead of one of the followers.
>>
>> That type of "alpha" becomes beta when that occurs, however, as there is
>> simply not that much room at the top. PUA becomes, if not the new AFC,
>> the new rAFC.
>>
> There is always room at the top, you just have to crowd someone else out.
> Be a man, take charge of your life and let the other guys watch out. Who
> has the biggest balls?
If the game is too rigged, it does *not* pay to play it that way.
For example, a guy with a 50 percent chance of taking a woman home from a
bar should definitely pay a $20 cover charge to get in. If that's only a 5
percent chance, however, that is no longer the case.
>> If you double the rake in a poker game, there would still be winning
>> players, but far fewer. Books on poker strategy would become basic
>> knowledge rather than an advantage (and not worth what one charges for an
>> edge), and so forth.
>>
> You play poker, I'll just poke her.
As long as someone isn't looking for answers to this objection (and won't
spend money until he gets them), he can laugh at a deflection like this.
>> Most men are not alpha, plain and simple, and most never will be. As
>> more and more knowledge hits the masses, it becomes more and more
>> difficult to stand out as an "alpha" except financially (which is an
>> objective measure), or physically (which is a product of nature).
>>
> Anyone can improve, even you.
I'm far ahead of where you'll ever be as a man, anonymous, whining
cockroach.
>>>> This is a byproduct of sexual free agency, since attractive people no
>>>> longer leave the dating market, and as a result, the rest of the crowd
>>>> has to compete against them for far longer than before. That
>>>> investment banker/ex-jock/scholar would have married 50 years ago;
>>>> today he'll keep six hotties on a string and never commit.
>>>>
>>> Thank you, I do try hard to keep several hotties on the string.
>>
>> Prove it.
>>
> Already did, where's your photo?
He didn't prove shit.
>>>They also are social proof so I can get more.
>>
>> Pivots, what I wrote about years ago....
>>
> And what others wrote about it in the 60s, it's not new, not even close to
> being new.
Where are their copyrights?
Exactly.
>> Of course, there's a difference between actually getting these women and
>> claiming that one gets them. Oh wait, this guy said he has MONEY
>> (something about earning over a quarter-million). Yes, money will
>> attract hot women.
>>
> I also have a trust, so what? In a dark bar, the blonde I picked up the
> other night didn't have a clue. All she knew was that I was the Alpha in
> the place at the time, and she loves to follow the big dog.
For money, women will pretend a guy is alpha, that's for sure. Real alphas
don't have to hide like this anonymous cockroach.
>Learn how to play the game and even you can get laid. The deal was closed
>in the first 15 minutes, I was not bashful about what I wanted, didn't
>embarrass her in front of the others in her group, and made a late dinner
>date with her so she had time to go ditch her friends. I had a wonderful
>time, and while I was undressing her, she kept saying how she never would
>have thought about doing this on a first date with someone she just
>met.....LOL THAT'S what it's about!!
Getting a golddigging slut with money? Maybe to a guy with money, it is.
When was the HIV/STD test done?
Buying women is nothing new.
>> Since the average income in this country is closer to $30k, however, this
>> does little to help the average man.
>>
> I laid her before she had a clue, and actually she still doesn't have a
> clue.
Women have paydar.
>We were not talking about money, we were talking about sex, and I used the
>dumbest line I know and it flew like an eagle. I said, "I bet you have
>trouble with men, because you are more intelligent than most of them, and
>they feel intimidated and shy away from you". She melted instantly.
Dumb sluts will, as will golddigging sluts who don't want you thinking they
are after your cash.
>>>>> Education is always a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> Not when it educates the world on how to get an advantage previously
>>>> reserved for only a few men.
>>>>
>>> As I said, 170,000 copies of last years book will not change the world.
>>> You need to get outside more, it's a BIG WORLD.
>>
>> He said as he clicked "send...."
>>
> That's a pretty dumb thing to say, not unexpected, but still dumb. Of
> course I clicked send, how else would you have seen it? Dumbass...
Oh how tough he talks when anonymous....
The point was that he was posting to USENET while talking about the world.
>>>>You have a bad hand, and you don't know when to quit. Like your
>>>>kooksoots, you can't recognize it when you are wrong and so you bore
>>>>everyone with your loser mentality. You do understand that this entire
>>>>screed is a loser mentality don't you? Chicken Little? The sky is only
>>>>falling for you, everyone else is just fine.
>>
>> The only "loser mentality" is that held by men who continually try to
>> play a game that is rigged against them unless they are tall and rich
>> (this guy claims to be rich).
>>
> I'm a little over six feet, not rich by any means, but comfortable.
Rich enough to purchase some golddigging sluts. Of course, in another post,
when he wanted to brag about how much money he had, he said he makes $8,000
in a few weeks (wihch is close to a quarter-million a year).
Since he's anonymous, he figures he can lie like that and not get caught.
>> A man who is not rich, not tall, and not exceptionally good-looking is an
>> absolute fool if he thinks ASF methods will get him what he wants. Even
>> Mystery talks about how he uses his money and fame to get women.
>>
> Real PUAs use what they got. What you got, other than a mouth?
He's the pussy running his mouth while hiding (not alpha).
Using money to get laid isn't game or alpha, it's being a JOHN.
Guys who want to pay for sex could likely learn a lot from this man.
>> Clubs even now have "bottle service" to separate rich and poor, and to
>> drop the hotties into the laps of the rich. The price? $500 a night.
>>
> Not me, and you won't see me in strip clubs or casinos either. I would
> rather go to a show, or go dancing, or sarging.
All of which cost money for men, more than women (especially cover charges).
>>> Keep fighting those windmills Sir Don, everyone else sees you are the
>>> Court Jester. Amusing but not a role model...LOL
>>
>> Said the man who can't prove he's bedded even a single hottie.
>>
> Coming from you, I'll take that as a complement. I'm not in court, have
> nothing to prove
Then the readers should consider nothing he has said to be proven.
Also that he uses money to get laid even if he has to deny it.
--
Money is not "game."
Looks are not "game."
Social status or value is not "game."
Those are the things that game makes unnecessary.
A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not
teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to
get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
