Hi Guys,
I would like to call upon the experience of the Guys and
Gals in this Newsgroup.

I really don't get it?
There must be Women in here that would be willing to comment, and
maybe they are best qualified to respond.

I have paid for quite a while on a site, and don't seem to be getting,
and results, as in not even 1 date.
Its not the only site I have been on.
I think I will post what I have put on the site.
At the end of the day, I need to do a total makeover of my life,
however painful, so if you are going to be brutal, then so be it.
If we are going to be honest, could it be an Ethnicity or Religion
issue?

What is the answer?

Thanks Guys.

Ask the people you paid for help.

On Jul 15, 2:02 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

A couple of things, Ray. At least he didn't waste any money on your
material. That's a big plus. Shows a normal intelligence and the
rest of his post shows a pretty normal social orientation. Another
reason he probably hasn't gone to your site. He actually seems to
like people, seeks their company and enjoys shared experiences.

Also, learn to read. Rub your two neurons together and see if you can
warm up a coherent thought. Never mind. It was a stupid idea.

Parker, you haven't the strength to add up everything
that has gone wrong with your life, from your childhood,
your days in NYC, your AOL molesting, and you court
"..inexcusable failure(s)..". The day you sue ME or Fuz
in court, your entire childhood to today will be open game.

..including the 3 'childhood chums' who know your past who
went ON THE RECORD with your childhood history. Seems you
have forgotten A LOT (!!!) of people who remember what a jerk
you were..including some who LAUGHED at you during your entry
into the gay life. TOO many glory holes you etched your name on.

..seems you have family members who laugh at you too..

..add to that your mothers remarks in 1998...to the newspaper..

Fuz n I just saw the Red Sox lose, and folks can see us both
on TV, behind home plate. We both had a good laugh over you.

..and will in court..if you ever have the stones to back up
your herpes infested, child molesting cakehole.

Hi Ray,
Thanks for your Advice..

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:02:38 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the
\"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:

Hi Vance,
Its ok, I just need to really find out peoples
opinions..
Thanks anyway.

Ray: What advice would you give me,

Thanks :-)

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:31:22 -0000, Vance gmail.com>
wrote:

Mr Gordon Ray Parker used the pseudonym "Ray Gordon" to write:

erm...

The original poster appears to be saying that he has:
*paid to place a personal ad on a dating site*
and is now seeking advice on how to improve that advert.

He does *not* mention having paid for any form of "seduction advice".
Nor does he ask for advice on "seduction techniques" of any type.

So you - who claim to be "a guru" - misrepresent his post,
snap at him and offer no help.

Is this what you call "advertising" ?

Okay, first things first. What kind of sites are you on? From your
post, I am going to guess dating sites, but I have been known to be
wrong before.

This is nominally a seduction site, but most of the time it's just a
place for us to shoot our favorite Jelly Fish in a Barrel, Ray
Gordon. However, there are knowledgeable people here and a chance to
help may raise them out of their Raytard stupor. Some fundamental
things about seduction are common to hooking up online, if that's what
you are trying to do. The first thing is to realize your in the
business of sales and you're the product. I think that you can get a
lot of good advice here along these lines, but we'll see. It's been
awhile since we've actually discussed getting a woman and group rust
may have set in.

Since you seem to have a social life, then more of the information you
can get here (and other places) can be put to use since it is geared
to face to face situations.

Second things second. If you are trying online dating, have you
posted a picture? It's essential. The estimates by people who follow
such things are that the response rate for profiles with pictures...

There appear to be people in this newsgroup who like to deliberately
misinterpret other people's postings, for their own purpose.

Could you clarify a couple of points to prevent that happening.

I know you weren't expecting the Spanish Inquisition...
all together now: "NO-ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION !"

When you said:

What kind of site was that ?

One for posting personal ads ?
Or one that charges for "seduction advice" ?

Have you paid for any form of "seduction advice",
packaged as "a system" ?

What made you think of asking for help in this newsgroup ?

On Jul 15, 3:16 pm, Your Lordship life.com> wrote:

I recommend you Google for Ray's posts and decide for yourself if you
want advice from him. I'll leave it to you to make up your own mind.
It should be easy, there is no lack of material by him (about 40,000
posts under this name) or about him (about 200,000 again, just under
this name).

Again, Good Luck