"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot""
cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:xZWdnV8Neq8E6G3YnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@pghconnect.com...>>> Said the man who lives in a condo in an expensive part of California and
>>> drives a Saab (or so he said).
>>
>> Said the man who doesn't have a pot to piss in. Jealous of anyone whos
>> made it in this feild.
>
> Seducing women with money isn't "making" it in seduction. That's a
> marketing issue.
You are the only one screaming about money. You can't accept that the
methods work by themselves.
>
> When a guy has money, he can get HBs with that alone. HBs will often deny
> that this is the motivation, so they can even be misled into thinking that
> she is not into money.
Money does not get HB's falling all over you....you watch too much tv.
>
> Telling a guy he doesn't have money as if that were a negative is to
> basically admit the role played by money in "seduction."
>
>
>>>>1. Focus on her feelings first.
>>>
>>> At "first" she has no feelings one way or another, so something is
>>> preceding the "first," like her "frist" impression of you, your CAR,
>>> your CONDO, etc. Or your web domain.
>>
>>
>> Since Ray doesn't understand feelings, he thinks everything is material.
>
> False premise.
You have a problem with feelings, you have trouble understanding how they
fit into seduction.
>
>
>
>>> Those "first" feelings are not all created equal, so focusing on the
>>> first IMPRESSION usually comes FIRST.
>>
>>
>> Yep the First impression comes First.....wow....you be
>>smart ray....snicker.
>
> Smarter than someone who thinks the feelings come before the impression.
>
>
>>>>Get your mind off the
>>>>BEHAVIORS you want from her(sex, undying loyalty, >threesomes,
>>>>etc) and put your mind and focus on what feeling states >she
>>>>would have to be in, in order to want to naturally give >you those
>>>>behaviors.
>>>
>>> They call it "horny."
>>
>> Or masterbation in your case.
>
> An odd fixation of "Bornnatural's" for sure.
Are you hitting on me??
>
> In the case of gurus who preach "lifestyle" (which NLP is not), it's often
> called "golddigging."
>
>
>>> Of course, if she's opportunistic, she may offer sex as a result of her
>>> FEELINGS about things like CARS and CONDOS.
>>
>> Or throw a drink in tha face....;)
>
> I wouldn't know, as no woman has ever done that to me.
Theres a guy here in this group that claims its on tape.
>
>
>>>>2. Realize that the key to her feelings is her imagination.
>>>
>>> That's a secondary key. Her NEEDS are her first, as evidenced by the
>>> mail-order bride market.
>>
>> So you can judge womens needs by the mail order bride market....what a
>> moron.....you been looking into mail order brides Ray?......bet you
>> couldn't keep one of those either.
>
> The mail-order bride industry shows that women look after their NEEDS as
> much as they follow their FEELINGS.
So you have been checking into it, but you have to prove you can support
them...leaves you out huh.
>
> Money is far more powerful than NLP as a get-laid tool.
LMAO.....if you are powerless, I can see how you feel that way.
>
>
>>>>Capture and lead her imagination and you can generate >the
>>>>intense feelings and emotions she craves.
>>>
>>> If a rich guy is doing it, she'll let it work, since the price is right
>>> and she will want him thinking he's getting somewhere.
>>
>> So sad.....hes so clueless
>
> Golddiggers say that all the time about their targets.
Who cares about golddiggers?.....next its strippers, whats after that???
>
> True PUAs call those men "provider chumps."
What would you know about true PUAs?....other than being obsessed over
mystery.
>
>
>>>>3. The key to capturing her imagination AND emotions >is how you use
>>>>your language both in terms of what >YOU say and what you get her to
>>>>talk about.
>>>
>>> Yet many men get laid with women who don't even speak their language.
>>> Language is ONE such tool. If it's that powerful a tool, an ugly chick
>>> could use it to get a rich guy.
>>
>> Whats another ray,,,,box of smelly prawns?
>
> My (free) books outline many useful tactics for men who value learning how
> to get laid by hotties more than they value flaming others on newsgroups.
Really?....name more, prawns, printouts, chessboards, what else you got in
that pua war chest.....snicker.......
>
> The pivot, probably the most successful tactic ever designed in this
> community, is also detailed.
whoo whoo.....a concept as old as man itself, you should be proud......NEVER
SEEN YOU DETAIL A CONVERSATION WITH A WOMAN......WHY???
>
>
>>>> Think of a woman you really, REALLY want to be >with.
>>>
>>> I think Jenna Dewan prefers Channing Tatum, while Ashlee Schull has
>>> preferred three separate men in Northern California in the past year.
>>
>> Obsessed over Ashlee.....keep it up, she doesn't look like she minds
>> getting a restraining order.
>
> So when someone puts their life on Myspace, it's now grounds for a
> restraining order when someone actually reads their pages? Odd that
> MySpace is set up the way it is or that there haven't been a slew of cases
> based on that theory.
You are obsessed with her....you go on and on about her......over and
over....
>
> My source for about 95 percent of the information I ever acquired about
> Ashlee Schull came from her own pages or pages to which she has posted,
> and which are freely available to the public. Not only that, but she is a
> (limited purpose) public figure who played the female lead in an internet
> film.
Some would call that stalking!!!
>
> Someone who has been as public as she is in the places she has been public
> should expect to be written about. Odd that Jenna Dewan seems to take
> this in stride, but then again, apparently so does Ashlee, since
> "Bornnatural" isn't her spokesperson, but someone with an axe to grind
> engaging in wishful thinking.
>
> Exactly what grounds would there be for a restraining order again?
Nothing yet, but obsessions usually get out of hand, don't they.
>
>
>
>>> They call that "oneitis." The cure? Find a woman who looks like Jenna
>>> Dewan, hypnotizes like Ashlee Schull, and who can be bought. Women like
>>> that exist (or can be trained) and the going rate for them is $2,500 an
>>> hour if she's an American and $250 a day or below if she lives in a poor
>>> country.
>>
>> Again with the stalker mentality......people never change....least Ashlee
>> is of legal age.
>
> Notice that "Bornnatural" can't point to any stalking. I also point out
> that *buying* women is the opposite of stalking them, and removes *any*
> doubt.
Oh, you buy women?....like in whores?......wow.....what an admission!!!!!!!
>
>
>>> If it's "not Ashlee Schull" and doesn't look like Jenna Dewan, then it's
>>> just a numbers game and the women become replacable. This also avoids
>>> "oneitis" because buying the skillset (rather than the woman) ensures
>>> that she will perform on cue, not tease, and do a better job.
>>
>>
>> Ray thinks theres only one kind of woman in the world.....and
>> damn...Ashlee is at best a
7.5......maybe if she were a 3 you might have
>> a chance.
>
> Some guys are into brains as much as beauty. Ashlee is the best
> combination of both. She is not the only type of woman in the world, just
> the type I prefer: the "Ashlee Schull Type."
Until next month when you fixate on some poor other girl......we've seen all
this before....like when you were going to cash in for an
"empty-netter"...LMAO
>
> What is nice is that the one thing I value from her -- her hypnosis
> ability -- is the one thing I can have on video without it mattering one
> bit if she likes me or not. I have always said that hypnosis's biggest
> flaw is that it is dependent on the whim of the hypnotist, and have long
> said that the best thing any hypnotist can do -- sexy or not -- is to
> record a high-quality induction. Ashlee has done just that, and I give
> her unlimited props for that. In the process, she's made just about every
> other female hypnotst on the net look horrible, and no one has been
> catching up.
She has NO hypnosis ability...its an act....you are weak!!!
>
> The other nice thing is that the real Ashlee will age faster than milk,
> while the video Ashlee will always be 19 and mischievous.
You and the teenagers, why is that?....because thats all you can
control?...young minds????
>
>
>>>>Wouldn't you like her to experience the following >emotional "states"
>>>>with you?
>>>
>>>>*Chemistry
>>
>>
>>> Not if it's manufactured, since it wouldn't be real. NLP generally
>>> manufactures temporary persuasion that "crashes" in an ugly manner when
>>> it can no longer sustain itself.
>>
>>
>> Bullshit, talking about things you know nothing about, like a girl
>> meeting you and finally seeing what you look like and runs away
>
> Now "Bornnatural" is subcommunicating that looks are a dominant seduction
> factor.
I was speaking of a girl meeting you offline and running away....you know
I'm sure.
>
> The women tend to agree with me here, btw.
>
>
>>>>*Fascination
>>>
>>> That can be done by lifestyle, and she's often more fascinated by guys
>>> who ignore her than by guys who try to talk her into bed.
>>
>>
>> Again Ray speaks of all he knows ....money....and he doesn't even have
>> that...............LMAO
>
> I grew up with a good deal of money, so I definitely know what it's like
> to have it.
INTERNET PROPS
>
> If money didn't matter, one would not insult others on the basis of their
> not having it.
Depends on how that other persons twists it around to suit an agenda.
>
>
>>> If she's Jenna Dewan, she was fascinated by Justin Timberlake, and if
>>> she's Ashlee Schull, she's currently fascinated by some guy named Kevin
>>> and is fascinated as a "fan" by "Darren Carter, Party Starter"
>>> (comedian).
>>
>>
>> Wow.....restraining order in a few weeks I
>>>bet.............................
>
> On what grounds again?
Lets wait and see, I could be totally wrong.....but I bet my right leg she
doesn't want to talk with you.......snicker.
>
> Didn't he say the same thing a few weeks ago?
Thats when it got worse with you........yes...
>
>
>>>>*Connection
>>>
>>> A connection need not be verbalized, and if it is, it's probably
>>> manufactured and temporary.
>>
>>
>> Too bad you don't know what a connection is...............
>
> One would think that the men who claim to know all about connections would
> be able to produce the other half of them from time to time.
You would think a "guru" could prove he has met and talked with a
girl............
>
> Especially if they are wealthy.
>
>>>>*Desire
>>>
>>> Again this can be done through lifestyle, and far more efficiently,
>>> since one need only BE rather than TALK.
>>
>> Ray has desire, but....can't connect...............
>
> Ooh a cyber-AMOG!! How original!
Best you can do?....wow......
>
> Every other guru would simply call him a hater and dismiss him.
Not one guru has anything bad to say about me.....they know I can do what I
say.........
>
>
>>>>You would agree that those would be great for starters,
>>>>yes?
>>>
>>> Not if NLP is manufacturing it temporarily, No.
>>
>>
>> Cause you can't understand NLP......
>
> I understand NLP fine. I just use better methods.
Bull.....crap.......what method??.....you do not understand nlp...thats why
you hate it.
>
>
>
>>>>That, given THOSE feelings, she would be far more >likely to say, "JUMP
>>>>ME NOW" instead of "Let's just >be friends!"
>>>
>>> If she's the type who is easily persuaded, NLP can be useful, but it
>>> still helps to be desirable in the first place.
>>
>> All women can be swayed, just not by you.
>
> Then go get Jenna Dewan.
I'm not obsessed over her like you,,,,you are the
guru...prove you can even
talk to her.........snicker
>
>
>>>>By the way, if the only thing you hear from women is >"Let's just be
>>>>friends" it is because the only feeling states >she experiences around
>>>>you are casual enjoyment and >comfort. Not enough to get her doing the
>>>>grown up!)
>>>
>>> Totally incorrect. A woman who is willing to be friends with a guy will
>>> fuck him under many circumstances. Most guys just don't know how to
>>> convert them.
>>
>> And neither do you Ray.......you can't even have a freind.....lol
>
> An anonymous cockroach now claims to know my life.
You have never proved otherwise.........so alone.....ray.......so sad.....
>
>
>>>>Are you following along so far?
>>>>Now, you may have heard it said that women will >decide in the first ten
>>>>seconds if they are going to sleep ?>with a guy.
>>>
>>> They make a first decision, corect. One that can be reversed if a guy
>>> knows her criteria for the choice.
>
> Took its breath away.
Now Ray wants to kiss me........I knew it......knew you were like
that...............
>
>
>>>>A woman's attraction to you may SEEM mysterious,
>>>> like it comes out of thin air.
>>>
>>> Noit at all. Women react very predictably, almost like a video game.
>>
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHA.....I bet they do when they meet you.....
>
> Oooh an AMOG!
Do they scream and run, when you met them??
!
>
> (the other gurus call guys like this haters)
You know alot about hate, mr 911.
>
>
>>>>Use your language in the right way, learn to get her to
>>>>ask the right questions, and she will run those processes
>>>> and feel those feelings with YOU as if the attraction and
>>>>desire were perfectly natural(and in a sense it really will
>>>>be!)
>>>
>>> She's even more likely to do it if you own a condo and a Saab.
>>
>>
>> Loser Ray................
>
> "Bornnatural" thinks men without money are losers with women, which
> explains his real belief on the role of money in seduction.
Any man at your age in your status is a loser in my
book........accept it
ray. thats the first step
>
>
>>> So who has the previous poster seduced recetnly? If an AFC can get his
>>> girlfriend to brag about him, why can't a PUA or "seductionist?"
>
> Deflection noted.
Avoidance noted.
>
>
>>>>That's when you get power, choice and predictable
>>>>success with the women you really want.
>>>
>>> I can get Jenna Dewan with this? Wow!!
>>
>>
>> You can't get a homeless woman, we all heard about it,.
>
> Time? Place?
I'll pull up the post from my archives.......k?
>
> The AMOG (hater) is believing what he reads on the net again. Tsk.
Too bad you can't take back your own words....snared by them aren't ya/
>
>
>>> Is that how Justin Timberlake did it?
>>>
>>> Well, Neil Strauss claims to have gamed Britney Spears with NLP, and we
>>> all see what a shining example of a together woman she is!
>>
>> We all see how together you are......snicker..........
>
> Said the coward who can't even sign his name. Tsk.
Said the loser coward with no life who signs with a false name...TSK
>
>
>>>>That sure beats a poke in the eye, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't know, as I've never had a woman react that way.
>>
>>
>> Just drinks thrown in your face...............................LOL
>
> Never.
I think I see if I can buy that video, then put it on youtube for ALL to SEE
>
>
>>>>And isn't that what we all really want?
>>>
>>> A poke in the eye from a chick?
>>
>>
>> A drink in the face????
>
> Wouldn't know.
The world will soon......remeber, the media is reading this, they want that
drink in the face video........;)
>
>
>>>>Ok. I think I've piled enough on you for now. But I
>>>>want you to really re-read this newsletter another time.
>>>>Maybe print it out and take it with you for a long walk, >and think
>>>>about the implications and how it begins to >make sense of a very
>>>>important piece of your life.
>>>
>>> Isn't that up to the READER to decide what makes sense?
>>
>>
>> Yes, because we know you can't.
>
> Oooh "Bornnatural" has DID. Well, if one has DID, they are not alone.
And what do you have bi polar......are you bi anything else?
>
>
>>>>Remember the more we can "de-mystify" women's >emotions and make them
>>>>something we can
>>>>bring to the surface and LINK to us, the more power, >choice, and
>>>>enjoyment with women we are going to >have; women most guys just get to
>>>>dream about.
>>>
>>> Women would claim that their selection process can't be short-circuited
>>> in this fashion.
>>
>> And you claim alot of bullshit too.
>
> Now he's calling women liars.
Nope calling YOU one....idiot.
>
>
>>> Hot women also generally let the world know who they are fucking. Why
>>> don't the "gurus" who claim these women want them do the same?
>>
>>
>> Wheres rays 3's?
>
> Wouldn't know, as I don't fuck 3s.
LOL....you don't fuck anything excpet maybe a pillow at
night.....snicker......
>
>
>>>>In the next issue we'll get into the nuts and bolts of how
>>>>to actually start using your language to do this.
>>>
>>> That could have been done in this post.
>>
>>
>> hoping to learn some real pu skills there RAY?
>
> He's the one claiming to be teaching three keys to getting ANY woman into
> bed.
3 keys or concepts are not 3 words like you claim to be able to
do......shaking head.....
>
> Jenna Dewan is a single woman living in LA.
>
> Let's see a PUA game someone like HER first.
Go for it.....mr PUA....thought so.............
>
> Even Style only got a 36 year-old.
What do you have?......10 fingers, .......laughing and a hypno video to get
you off......hahahahah
BN
